Obama's bra 54 Double D!

[NEON DEON]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

EDIT: Now you know what Barack would look like with a kick-ass afro.

Is that Link from the 70s TV show


THE ROOKIES

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EDIT: OOPS! Wrong cop show. Link was on the Mod Squad.

[Stealth Hunter]

Hey, hey, hey! Somebody vetoed my bill yesterday.

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by NEON DEON

You are seeing what you want to see.

So much so you failed to look at the link I posted. Because if you did you would see it for yourself.

BTW

The site lists 12 points not 10.

Read the link and while reading switch the word black with white.

Point 11:

"Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System."

A church asking allegiance.

Not to God, Not to your country, but to your race.

I think YOU need to read your link properly. For the record, here is the 10 POINT VISION


We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

1. A congregation committed to ADORATION.
2. A congregation preaching SALVATION.
3. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
4. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
5. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
6. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
7. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
8. A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
9. A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
10. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

Now, with all due respect, please point out which one of these 10 points is anti-american or causing you concern. All I read are 10 points of which some can be classified as black empowerment.

Given the 10 point vision of the church, I'm having a hard time trying to understand why the elders of the church did not bring Wright back into line. There are a number of points parts of his sermons clearly violated.

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

He can pledge allegiance to just blacks if he wants to but not as my president. There are some things with politicians I can take like the likelihood they are crooks or sexual deviants and some I can't take. For me personally this is a can't take.

Correct me if I am wrong, but did not JFK say, "First I am the President of the USA, and then a Catholic". Given that the USA is a secular state I would accord Obama the intelligence to understand that his religious beliefs stay on the other side of the Oval office door at all times. No majority is going to vote him into office as the spiritual leader of America.

Kennedy said he would follow his own conscience, not allowing any church interferences with what his conscience dictated: "I believe in a President whose religious views are his own private affair." In his speech, he faced squarely points on which the Vatican might like to interfere:
Whatever issue may come before me as President, if I should be elected—on birth control, divorce, censorship, gambling or any other subject—I will make my decision...in accordance with what my conscience tells me to be the national interest, and without regard to outside religious pressures or dictates. And no power or threat of punishment could cause me to decide otherwise.
If his conscience and his public duty were ever in conflict—which he thought impossible—he said, "I would resign the office."
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/20939

Would it help if Obama made a similar undertaking?

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Would it help if Obama made a similar undertaking?

We aren't talking religion though are we? The only thing that notes religion about this is that Wrights a preacher. Other then that it's a completely different message.

[NEON DEON]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

I think YOU need to read your link properly. For the record, here is the 10 POINT VISION


We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

1. A congregation committed to ADORATION.
2. A congregation preaching SALVATION.
3. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
4. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
5. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
6. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
7. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
8. A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
9. A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
10. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

Now, with all due respect, please point out which one of these 10 points is anti-american or causing you concern. All I read are 10 points of which some can be classified as black empowerment.

Given the 10 point vision of the church, I'm having a hard time trying to understand why the elders of the church did not bring Wright back into line. There are a number of points parts of his sermons clearly violated.

ON the Trinity site:

I am going to make it big so you dont miss it

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html



THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEMTrinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System, written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee, chaired by the late Vallmer Jordan in 1981.
Dr. Manford Byrd, our brother in Christ, withstood the ravage of being denied his earned ascension to the number one position in the Chicago School System. His dedication to the pursuit of excellence, despite systematic denials, has inspired the congregation of Trinity United Church of Christ. Prayerfully, we have called upon the wisdom of all past generations of suffering Blacks for guidance in fashioning an instrument of Black self-determination, the Black Value System.
Beginning in 1982, an annual Black Value System – Educational Scholarship in the name of Dr. Byrd was instituted. The first recipient of the Dr. Manford Byrd Award, which is given annually to the man or woman who best exemplifies the Black Value System, was our brother, Dr. Manford Byrd.
These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They consist of the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God. “The God of our weary years” will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activists, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.
2. Commitment to the Black Community. The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the Black Community.
3. Commitment to the Black Family. The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society.
   
   Those Blacks who are blessed with membership in a strong family unit must reach out and expand that blessing to the less fortunate.
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education. We must forswear anti-intellectualism. Continued survival demands that each Black person be developed to the utmost of his/her mental potential despite the inadequacies of the formal education process. “Real education” fosters understanding of ourselves as well as every aspect of our environment. Also, it develops within us the ability to fashion concepts and tools for better utilization of our resources, and more effective solutions to our problems. Since the majority of Blacks have been denied such learning, Black Education must include elements that produce high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college.
   
   Basic education for all Blacks should include Mathematics, Science, Logic, General Semantics, Participative Politics, Economics and Finance, and the Care and Nurture of Black minds.
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence.To the extent that we individually reach for, even strain for excellence, we increase, geometrically, the value and resourcefulness of the Black Community. We must recognize the relativity of one’s best; this year’s best can be bettered next year. Such is the language of growth and development. We must seek to excel in every endeavor.
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic. “It is becoming harder to find qualified people to work in Chicago.” Whether this is true or not, it represents one of the many reasons given by businesses and industries for deserting the Chicago area. We must realize that a location with good facilities, adequate transportation and a reputation for producing skilled workers will attract industry. We are in competition with other cities, states and nations for jobs. High productivity must be a goal of the Black workforce.
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect. To accomplish anything worthwhile requires self-discipline. We must be a community of self-disciplined persons if we are to actualize and utilize our own human resources, instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others. Self-discipline, coupled with a respect for self, will enable each of us to be an instrument of Black Progress and a model for Black Youth.
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.” Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the “talented tenth” of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor’s control.
   
   Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:
   1. Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.
   2. Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.
   3. Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of “we” and “they” instead of “us.”
   4. So, while it is permissible to chase “middleclassness” with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method – the psychological entrapment of Black “middleclassness.” If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our “voluntary” contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.
9. Pledge to Make the Fruits of All Developing and Acquired Skills Available to the Black Community.
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions.
11. Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System.
12. Personal Commitment to Embracement of the Black Value System. To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the Black Community and the Advancement of Black People towards freedom.

And for the record one more time

PRESS THE LINK I HAVE PROVIDED!


http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html

[Platapus]

Neon,

Thanks for posting that, I read your post as well as accessed the website.

The problem is that I still don't see much to be upset about.

It is a church that seems to have a primarily black audience and its mission statement seems to be aimed toward blacks.

Personally I would like to eliminate all racial context. But this aint my church.

Sounds like a bunch of black people trying to help black people. Don't see much wrong with that.

This just seems to re-enforce my opinion that the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. was a radical nut case in an otherwise pretty decent church.

I strongly disagree with what he said in a few of his sermons, but in the philosophy of what Voltaire may or may not have said "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

In any case, I really can't find any fault with the Church's mission statements or any other statement I have read on their website.

Would I go to that church? Probably not, but that is hardly a criteria for a good church

[NEON DEON]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Neon,

Thanks for posting that, I read your post as well as accessed the website.

The problem is that I still don't see much to be upset about.

It is a church that seems to have a primarily black audience and its mission statement seems to be aimed toward blacks.

Personally I would like to eliminate all racial context. But this aint my church.

Sounds like a bunch of black people trying to help black people. Don't see much wrong with that.

This just seems to re-enforce my opinion that the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. was a radical nut case in an otherwise pretty decent church.

I strongly disagree with what he said in a few of his sermons, but in the philosophy of what Voltaire may or may not have said "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

In any case, I really can't find any fault with the Church's mission statements or any other statement I have read on their website.

Would I go to that church? Probably not, but that is hardly a criteria for a good church

So you dont think that point 8 and the four other points within point 8 are divisive in anyway and that these points wont foster hatred of white people?

#8.1,.2,.3,&.4:

1. Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.
2. Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.
3. Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of “we” and “they” instead of “us.”
4. So, while it is permissible to chase “middleclassness” with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method – the psychological entrapment of Black “middleclassness.” If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our “voluntary” contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented

[Platapus]

I agree that item 8 is a bit out there. I would even agree that they are divisive.

It serves to foster a "victim" attitude that helps many disadvantaged people emotionally deal with their situation. "structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons." is a classic "I am a victim" rationalization.

I don't agree with the "I am a victim" attitude but thats me and my upbringing. Others take comfort in being a victim.

Look at the response to the speeches of Dr. Bill Cosby on this topic. Rather negative.

The tricky question is:

Given our history of how minorities have been treated in the history of the United States, are any of the sub-items wrong?

They may be worded harshly and exaggerated, but are any of them historically wrong?

[bradclark1]

What I find is that that list is 25 years old and as far as I can tell it has never been updated. The whole thing plus Wrights comments are meant to blame the white race for all the ills of the American black race.
These points aren't about blacks helping blacks, its about blacks blaming whites for all percieved wrongs.

• warping by our racist competitive society
• Since the majority of Blacks have been denied such learning.
• instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others.

Why they don't update to deal with todays realities tells me Wright and congregation to include Obama are just full of ****.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Platapus

They may be worded harshly and exaggerated, but are any of them historically wrong?

The key word is historically. This isn't history this is 2008.
In 2008 you might not be able to attend the college you want because you aren't black.
In 2008 you might not be able to be a cop or a fireman because you aren't black.
In 2008 you might not be able to hold a managerial position because you aren't black.
In 2008 you might not be able to get a government contract because you aren't a black owned business even though you were cheaper.
In 2008 when you apply for a government job you might not get it because a black gets more points awarded just for being black.

So when I hear the kind of crap Wright spouts one has to ask why. Then one has to ask why a United States senator agrees with those comments. Then one has to ask do you want someone of that caliber to be president? Hell no!! He can stay where he is and help the blacks against the mean white man in 2008.

[Tchocky]

Working from the assumption that legal equality is the be all and end all, there's no reason for such affirmative action.