[REL] Prolonged DC Attack - Page 3

AVGWarhawk · 12-03-07, 09:13 AM

I did not install it with the RFB 1.4 version as yet. Do you think it will be ok to drop this in after ROW/RFB/RSRD? I would suspect it would just overwright some of the RFB sensor changes. Let me know and I will load it up for a run!

Peto · 12-03-07, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I did not install it with the RFB 1.4 version as yet. Do you think it will be ok to drop this in after ROW/RFB/RSRD? I would suspect it would just overwright some of the RFB sensor changes. Let me know and I will load it up for a run!

It should be fine IMO. The only major file that is modified is AI_sensors. I've even run a couple tests where I can use the mod for part of a patrol and then disable it between boots and it seems to work OK. As long as there aren't any ships in the area that are resident in memory anyway. More testing required to be positive though.

If there are changes in RFB that this mod affects, I could easily make a version for that too.

AVGWarhawk · 12-03-07, 11:17 AM

Currently I have saved a convoy in my sights but being that this is my first patrol and only 600nm for Java, I will restart with this mod added and find the convoy again.

This should be interesting as for now I keep outside views on. Before I saved I took a peek and found the convoy had 4-5 DD/subchasers.

In the spirit of adding some pucker factor and having a depth charges rolling down my deck for hours......this just might be the ticket for that!!!! Like I stated before, battery life and CO2 are a none factor when under attack. The DD give up to easily. I for one have no issue slugging it out for an hour or so. Or maybe longer!

I will let you know what happens.

swdw · 12-03-07, 11:26 AM

In the "way back" days, part of the 'thrill' of attacking a convoy in Silent Service was having to actually maneuver in order to avoid DC's. Twisting, turning, short hi speed runs right after the DC's went off were all needed. If you didn't, you were sunk. (Guilty as charged, hadn't played a sub sim since Silent Service 2- not SH2, but SS2)

Although far short of SH4 in a bajillion of ways, the difference in the old SS games and SH4 in this aspect dissapointed me the first time I was attacked in SH4.

Just spiraled down to the layer and putt putted off to new hunting grounds.

swdw · 12-03-07, 11:31 AM

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Peto, before this gets buried. How are you coming along with some other ideas you had for this?

Well--I'm working on some SD Radar stuff which will be a separate thing. The biggest thing that would enhance this package is some depth charge/ escort mods that tater is working on. I think when he's got that, combined with this it could be great for the Historical crowd. I'm also trying it out as a "Mood Mod" something that you can enable/disable during a patrol--so you're not always faced with long pursuits.

Did it make a difference for your evasion experience?

Was too busy patchin RFB to give this a try yet, but fully intend to now that the patch is up.

As for the sensor changes in RFB, LukeFF can give you detailed info on what he's done. One of the things he did was modify all the AI radar settings to give them the max range for detecting a sub.

He also did some changes already with the sub sensors. You might want to PM him and the 2 of you could put your heads together on this.

Peto · 12-03-07, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by swdw

As for the sensor changes in RFB, LukeFF can give you detailed info on what he's done. One of the things he did was modify all the AI radar settings to give them the max range for detecting a sub.

He also did some changes already with the sub sensors. You might want to PM him and the 2 of you could put your heads together on this.

Sounds good. If those are the only changes he's made it'd be a snap modding this in to see how it works. Thanks swdw

Wilcke · 12-03-07, 12:21 PM

This is very interesting, I can see this melding well with the DC mod, since those DDs and Escorts carry realistic DC loads and cannot just sit there and dump 240+ cans on you.

Indeed, very much interested........yes!

Wilcke

AVGWarhawk · 12-03-07, 12:33 PM

Gents, I'm dropping in the first attempt of this mod tonight. It will be behind RFB/ROW/RSRD. Should be fine as far as I can tell. Let me see how she goes.

ReallyDedPoet · 12-03-07, 12:35 PM

Between using this and Trigger, there is no hope now

RDP

Peto · 12-03-07, 12:53 PM

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Between using this and Trigger, there is no hope now

RDP

Actually--I think you'll find this to completely change your evasion experience. All you need is paaaaaaattttienccccccccccceeeee

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EDIT: With a capital P

AVGWarhawk · 12-03-07, 01:01 PM

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Between using this and Trigger, there is no hope now

RDP

This is a little different spin on it. What is being attempted here is to have the DD keep you down longer. In other words, the DD give up after losing you after so many minutes. Hopefully with this the DD will have a longer searching time and a bit better sensors to keep in contact thus creating longer evasion time required. Also, not all escorts are veteran killers. There is some mix and match so every encounter is not long, just a few. This will allow some other factors to enter your mind....battery life and CO2 levels. Right now, these are two non-factors in evading. Usually you are up and out after 15 minutes. That is fine for the casual gamer but the hardcore lunatics like myself would like this element.

Also, add this in with RFB under running torps and duds......can add to some realism....especially if you try a head on with the DD and you have a bad batch of torps. You are going to get it for an hour or so

ReallyDedPoet · 12-03-07, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

Between using this and Trigger, there is no hope now

RDP

This is a little different spin on it. What is being attempted here is to have the DD keep you down longer. In other words, the DD give up after losing you after so many minutes. Hopefully with this the DD will have a longer searching time and a bit better sensors to keep in contact thus creating longer evasion time required. Also, not all escorts are veteran killers. There is some mix and match so every encounter is not long, just a few. This will allow some other factors to enter your mind....battery life and CO2 levels. Right now, these are two non-factors in evading. Usually you are up and out after 15 minutes. That is fine for the casual gamer but the hardcore lunatics like myself would like this element.

Also, add this in with RFB under running torps and duds......can add to some realism....especially if you try a head on with the DD and you have a bad batch of torps. You are going to get it for an hour or so

Yeah I like this feature, I meant that as a compliment

In Trigger planes can now see you when you are submerged on a clear day, calm seas. I was doing an insertion mission last night, I got into shallower waters, but the seas were calm, could not escape from the bombings. Next time I will go, it will be at night or in heavier seas.

All of this is really adding to the experience, you really have to think things out.

RDP

Peto · 12-03-07, 01:09 PM

Yes. I've found that I'm a little more thoughtful about which fights I choose to get in now. In clear weather (sonar) conditions, I feel like I'm poking a stick in a hornet's nest when I fire a torpedo. It adds a certain aspect that I was missing before. Caution

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ReallyDedPoet · 12-03-07, 01:11 PM

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Yes. I've found that I'm a little more thoughtful about which fights I choose to get in now. In clear weather (sonar) conditions, I feel like I'm poking a stick in a hornet's nest when I fire a torpedo. It adds a certain aspect that I was missing before. Caution

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Great mod Peto, it really has added to the experience big-time

RDP

AVGWarhawk · 12-03-07, 01:52 PM

The plane sighting you under water aspect is a cool idea and realistic from what I have read. I guess this mod and the aircraft sighting you mod would make you think twice.

The realism is coming along quite nicely! Now, someone is working on the night sensor mod:hmm: I forget who. This needs work for sure. Night time is the right time for surface attacks

12-03-07, 09:13 AM	#31
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,266 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I did not install it with the RFB 1.4 version as yet. Do you think it will be ok to drop this in after ROW/RFB/RSRD? I would suspect it would just overwright some of the RFB sensor changes. Let me know and I will load it up for a run! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

12-03-07, 11:17 AM	#33
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,266 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Currently I have saved a convoy in my sights but being that this is my first patrol and only 600nm for Java, I will restart with this mod added and find the convoy again. This should be interesting as for now I keep outside views on. Before I saved I took a peek and found the convoy had 4-5 DD/subchasers. In the spirit of adding some pucker factor and having a depth charges rolling down my deck for hours......this just might be the ticket for that!!!! Like I stated before, battery life and CO2 are a none factor when under attack. The DD give up to easily. I for one have no issue slugging it out for an hour or so. Or maybe longer! I will let you know what happens. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

12-03-07, 11:26 AM	#34
swdw Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 921 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	In the "way back" days, part of the 'thrill' of attacking a convoy in Silent Service was having to actually maneuver in order to avoid DC's. Twisting, turning, short hi speed runs right after the DC's went off were all needed. If you didn't, you were sunk. (Guilty as charged, hadn't played a sub sim since Silent Service 2- not SH2, but SS2) Although far short of SH4 in a bajillion of ways, the difference in the old SS games and SH4 in this aspect dissapointed me the first time I was attacked in SH4. Just spiraled down to the layer and putt putted off to new hunting grounds. __________________ "There are only two types of ships- submarines...... and targets" Unknown "you wouldn't catch me on a ship that deliberately sinks itself"- comment to me from a surface sailor. System: AMD 6300 3.5 GHz \| 32GB DDR3 \| SATA 300 320GB HD, SATA III 1TB HD, SATA III 1.TB HD \| ASUS Sonar DS sound card NVIDIA 1660 Super OC \| Windows 10

12-03-07, 12:33 PM	#38
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,266 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Gents, I'm dropping in the first attempt of this mod tonight. It will be behind RFB/ROW/RSRD. Should be fine as far as I can tell. Let me see how she goes. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

12-03-07, 12:35 PM	#39
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,886 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Between using this and Trigger, there is no hope now RDP __________________ Back in the Day

12-03-07, 12:21 PM	#37
Wilcke The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,441 Downloads: 234 Uploads: 0	This is very interesting, I can see this melding well with the DC mod, since those DDs and Escorts carry realistic DC loads and cannot just sit there and dump 240+ cans on you. Indeed, very much interested........yes! Wilcke

12-03-07, 01:09 PM	#43
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Yes. I've found that I'm a little more thoughtful about which fights I choose to get in now. In clear weather (sonar) conditions, I feel like I'm poking a stick in a hornet's nest when I fire a torpedo. It adds a certain aspect that I was missing before. Caution . __________________ If your target has a 30 degree AOB, the range from his base course line equals the current range divided by 2.

12-03-07, 01:52 PM	#45
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,266 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	The plane sighting you under water aspect is a cool idea and realistic from what I have read. I guess this mod and the aircraft sighting you mod would make you think twice. The realism is coming along quite nicely! Now, someone is working on the night sensor mod:hmm: I forget who. This needs work for sure. Night time is the right time for surface attacks __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road