[WIP] KDF Liner Wilhem Gustloff

AOTD_MadMax · 09-26-07, 10:42 AM

Hello Kaleun´s,

after i have finished my old KDF-Steam "Der Deutsche" the germans need their brand new KDF-Liner "Wilhelm Gustloff"/"Robert Ley".

So iam working on it !

This ship is cloned from the normal Liner.
I reworked the Hull a little bit smaler and spend much time on the bridge but some small changes i have to do until i can release this ship.

Here all my Liner´s

Hope you like it !

Greets

Maddy

bigboywooly · 09-26-07, 10:46 AM

klasse arbeit
?
lol

Nice work Maddy

denis_469 · 09-26-07, 10:53 AM

What I see? New excellent work from you!

Bismarck · 09-26-07, 10:55 AM

Yay even more negative renown!!!!! :P

Alex · 09-26-07, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AOTD_MadMax

Hello Kaleun´s,

after i have finished my old KDF-Steam "Der Deutsche" the germans need their brand new KDF-Liner "Wilhelm Gustloff"/"Robert Ley".

So iam working on it !

[cowboy] YEEEEPEEEE !

[/cowboy]

:rotfl:

Seriously, awesome work, Maddy

!!

Jimbuna · 09-26-07, 12:30 PM

Looks very promising

melnibonian · 09-26-07, 01:14 PM

looking good

Kar · 09-26-07, 02:08 PM

nice

Woof1701 · 09-26-07, 02:23 PM

Since this ship is being modelled I want to emphasize the tragedy behind this and several other hospital, prisoner and refugee ships sunk in WW2 and put some things into perspective.

The "Wilhelm Gustloff" sunk by the Sovjet submarine S-13 (approx 9.500 dead)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm...off_%28ship%29

The "General von Steuben" sunk by the Soviet submarine S-13 (approx 3- 4.000 dead)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dampfsc...al_von_Steuben

The "Goya" sunk by the Soviet submarine L-3 (approx 6.000 dead)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goya_%28ship%29

The "Armenia" sunk by German bombers (approx 5.000 dead)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia_%28ship%29

The "Cap Arcona" sunk by the RAF (approx 8.000 dead)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Cap_Arcona

The "Junyo Maru" sunk by a British submarine (approx 5.620 dead)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juny%C5%8D_Maru

in comparison
The "Titanic" sunk by collision with an iceberg and often named as the worst maritime catastrophe in the 20th century (approx 1.500 dead)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic

The Soviet submarine S-13 alone is responsible for 12.000 dead soldiers, crewmen and refugees within 12 days time noone's talking about anymore today.

I know we're all playing a game here, but when portraying a ship like this, I'd like to take the chance to remind people that behind this ship there's a history of more than 10.000 people that were on her and only a few of which survived to tell the tale.

sh3rules · 09-26-07, 02:45 PM

Thank you for the info. I guess the Titanic was partly a sensationalistic stunt on the part of the media (not to trivialize the tragedy, but bigger tragedies put it in perspective).

Since this is a GAME however, in the gameworld I'm just one badass Kaleun

D.Kruger · 09-26-07, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

Quote:

Originally Posted by AOTD_MadMax

Hello Kaleun´s,

after i have finished my old KDF-Steam "Der Deutsche" the germans need their brand new KDF-Liner "Wilhelm Gustloff"/"Robert Ley".

So iam working on it !

[cowboy] YEEEEPEEEE !

[/cowboy]

:rotfl:

Seriously, awesome work, Maddy

!!

http://www.wilhelmgustloff.com/gallery_scalemodels.htm
http://www.modellmarine.de/phpwebsite/index.php
http://www.wilhelmgustloff.com/history.htm
:hmm:

Hunter · 09-27-07, 01:59 AM

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The Soviet submarine S-13 alone is responsible for 12.000 dead soldiers, crewmen and refugees within 12 days time noone's talking about anymore today.

Actually, the story of S-13 is well know in Russia. There were several documentaries and a movie "The next to the god' last year. S-13 was the only S-class submarine that suevived during the war in Baltic. It's captain Marinesko is usually belivedto be a victim of Stalin's regime since it wasn't awarded for thinking Wilhelm Gistloff and later removed from military service, staying unfamous, while being the most successful Soviet submariner of WW2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm...off_%28ship%29
Actually, WG should be colored into grey for the wartime.

to D.Kruger
Could you please post a to the source of this drawing? If there are any other I want them to my collection of ww2 ships.
http://static3.filefront.com/images/...gmbnyfpblz.jpg

D.Kruger · 09-27-07, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hunter

Quote:

The Soviet submarine S-13 alone is responsible for 12.000 dead soldiers, crewmen and refugees within 12 days time noone's talking about anymore today.

Actually, the story of S-13 is well know in Russia. There were several documentaries and a movie "The next to the god' last year. S-13 was the only S-class submarine that suevived during the war in Baltic. It's captain Marinesko is usually belivedto be a victim of Stalin's regime since it wasn't awarded for thinking Wilhelm Gistloff and later removed from military service, staying unfamous, while being the most successful Soviet submariner of WW2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm...off_%28ship%29
Actually, WG should be colored into grey for the wartime.

to D.Kruger
Could you please post a to the source of this drawing? If there are any other I want them to my collection of ww2 ships.
http://static3.filefront.com/images/...gmbnyfpblz.jpg

This drawing here
http://sabaoth.infoserve.pl/danzig-o.../gustloff.html

Good drawings "Wilhelm Gustloff" are necessary for me

Woof1701 · 09-27-07, 04:09 AM

Well I agree on the point that Marinesko was a victim of Stalin's regime but who in Russia wasn't? From Marinesko's point of view he certainly was a war hero and should have been rewarded as such, especially since his fellow captain of L-3 who sank the Goya was awarded that honor.

However I personally still have problems with attacking ships carrying refugees, wounded and POWs, so I feel strongly that each of the attacks mentioned above was completely unnecessary when it comes to achieving your goal of winning the war, since the fast majority of the people carried on those ships weren't part of the war anymore in any case and since the war was almost over to begin with.

I'd like to give the crew of the British sub as well as the pilots attacking the Cap Arcona, the benefit of the doubt since the pilots were surely ordered to attack that ship and the sub crew couldn't know who was on board. Nevertheless Marinesko surely knew the Russian troops were advancing on Gotenhafen and lay in wait for a refugee ship to leave the harbor. And he did the same again twelve days later. Not very heroic in my opinion. If I remember correctly the German sub attacking the Laconia thinking it was a troop transport and finding out it also carried Italian POWs tried to help and saved hundreds of POWs which eventually led to the uboats flying the Red Cross and broadcasting a message of truce, being attacked by U.S. aircraft.

Hunter · 09-27-07, 04:30 AM

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couldn't know who was on board.

I quated a "Stalin's regims victim" just to highlight that many things could be seen from various point of view. Possible he wasn't awarded because of too slic moral aspects of the event, may be for his personal problems in relations with officers from higher staff, or as he loved girls and drinks more than it was allowed to a Soviet officer. Still, he is the luckiest Soviet submariner. It's for sure, he couldn't know who was on Willhelm Gustloff and his duty was to attack enemy shipment in the area. Becides, the ship was sailing under guard of naval vessels that made it a legal target, and the Germans used it to evacute troops along with refugees.
In any case this event of history could be included into campaign since we have both AI S class submarine and WG. Possible, someone will be lucky to get there in time and made some chages.

Quote:

This drawing here
http://sabaoth.infoserve.pl/danzig-o.../gustloff.html

Thank you, I belive my WWII reference books are still much uncomplete.

09-26-07, 10:42 AM	#1
AOTD_MadMax Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bremen/Germany Posts: 749 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 1	[WIP] KDF Liner Wilhem Gustloff Hello Kaleun´s, after i have finished my old KDF-Steam "Der Deutsche" the germans need their brand new KDF-Liner "Wilhelm Gustloff"/"Robert Ley". So iam working on it ! This ship is cloned from the normal Liner. I reworked the Hull a little bit smaler and spend much time on the bridge but some small changes i have to do until i can release this ship. Here all my Liner´s Hope you like it ! Greets Maddy __________________ AOTD is gone, iam the last survivor ........

09-26-07, 10:46 AM	#2
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	klasse arbeit ? lol Nice work Maddy __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

09-26-07, 12:30 PM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,539 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Looks very promising __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-26-07, 01:14 PM	#7
melnibonian Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reading UK Posts: 3,473 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	looking good __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com/ http://wolvesatwar.com/ Download GWX and other goodies: http://hosted.filefront.com/melnibonian

09-26-07, 10:53 AM	#3
denis_469 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Russia Posts: 700 Downloads: 136 Uploads: 0	What I see? New excellent work from you!

09-26-07, 10:55 AM	#4
Bismarck Medic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: At the bottom of the sea in my VIIC Posts: 164 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yay even more negative renown!!!!! :P

09-26-07, 02:08 PM	#8
Kar Seaman Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Czech republic Posts: 38 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	nice

09-26-07, 02:23 PM	#9
Woof1701 Commodore Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Munich, Germany, Home of U-96 Posts: 633 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Since this ship is being modelled I want to emphasize the tragedy behind this and several other hospital, prisoner and refugee ships sunk in WW2 and put some things into perspective. The "Wilhelm Gustloff" sunk by the Sovjet submarine S-13 (approx 9.500 dead) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm...off_%28ship%29 The "General von Steuben" sunk by the Soviet submarine S-13 (approx 3- 4.000 dead) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dampfsc...al_von_Steuben The "Goya" sunk by the Soviet submarine L-3 (approx 6.000 dead) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goya_%28ship%29 The "Armenia" sunk by German bombers (approx 5.000 dead) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia_%28ship%29 The "Cap Arcona" sunk by the RAF (approx 8.000 dead) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Cap_Arcona The "Junyo Maru" sunk by a British submarine (approx 5.620 dead) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juny%C5%8D_Maru in comparison The "Titanic" sunk by collision with an iceberg and often named as the worst maritime catastrophe in the 20th century (approx 1.500 dead) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic The Soviet submarine S-13 alone is responsible for 12.000 dead soldiers, crewmen and refugees within 12 days time noone's talking about anymore today. I know we're all playing a game here, but when portraying a ship like this, I'd like to take the chance to remind people that behind this ship there's a history of more than 10.000 people that were on her and only a few of which survived to tell the tale.

09-26-07, 02:45 PM	#10
sh3rules Sonar Guy Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sailing the Seas of Lies Posts: 393 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Thank you for the info. I guess the Titanic was partly a sensationalistic stunt on the part of the media (not to trivialize the tragedy, but bigger tragedies put it in perspective). Since this is a GAME however, in the gameworld I'm just one badass Kaleun

09-27-07, 04:09 AM	#14
Woof1701 Commodore Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Munich, Germany, Home of U-96 Posts: 633 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Well I agree on the point that Marinesko was a victim of Stalin's regime but who in Russia wasn't? From Marinesko's point of view he certainly was a war hero and should have been rewarded as such, especially since his fellow captain of L-3 who sank the Goya was awarded that honor. However I personally still have problems with attacking ships carrying refugees, wounded and POWs, so I feel strongly that each of the attacks mentioned above was completely unnecessary when it comes to achieving your goal of winning the war, since the fast majority of the people carried on those ships weren't part of the war anymore in any case and since the war was almost over to begin with. I'd like to give the crew of the British sub as well as the pilots attacking the Cap Arcona, the benefit of the doubt since the pilots were surely ordered to attack that ship and the sub crew couldn't know who was on board. Nevertheless Marinesko surely knew the Russian troops were advancing on Gotenhafen and lay in wait for a refugee ship to leave the harbor. And he did the same again twelve days later. Not very heroic in my opinion. If I remember correctly the German sub attacking the Laconia thinking it was a troop transport and finding out it also carried Italian POWs tried to help and saved hundreds of POWs which eventually led to the uboats flying the Red Cross and broadcasting a message of truce, being attacked by U.S. aircraft.