VIVA VISTA...Yeah right.....Read this. - Page 3

Bathrone · 08-24-07, 06:55 AM

Sales of Vista has been good - MS reported on earnings with it recently.

The assertion that Vista is a miserable failure is not matched by sales earnings. You can attempt to argue that so and so business had many returns or whatever, but ultimately the sales figures dont support those assertions. And really its the total sales that is meaningful to the debate.

Some business have chosen to not upgrade to Vista cos they have security managed elsewhere and their internal machines really arent vulnerable to any real extent.

But to claim that Vista doesnt work and is somehow grossly broken is simply wrong.

Also there is things that saves money to business with their IT operations. One of the really big savings in the embedded imaging. No more lots and lots of different images for different builds. One image for x32 and image for x64. Simple. Fast.

Zealots from Linux or MacOS would have you believe the reason that MS dominates the desktop OS market is because of a conspiracy - but really is because its widely supported by lots of hardware, has alot of good features and since Vista with being the first to go through the secure development lifecycle process that MS came up with to get its together from the problems with XP its the most secure theyve ever done.

Skybird · 08-24-07, 07:39 AM

Reports from MS on the issue necessarily include marketing efforts - by trying to look optimistic. We had numbers on sales posted here in the forum some time ago. And they included those vistas that came with sales of complete machines and thus were unable to be evaded by customers. but fact is that they have time and again requests for machines being sold not with Vista. The separately sold numbers some months ago were reported to be disappointing.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...indows-xp.html

we also had this thread:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ighlight=Vista

and a hint from the release start:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/product...s_N.htm?csp=27

Okay, you love vista, I don't, this debate leads nowhere, so count me out.

P.S. Search Button -> General Forum -> "Vista"

Bathrone · 08-24-07, 07:51 AM

Well hangon

I dont love it. My wife uses a MacOS on her Macbook, its nice. I also use Unix and have a machine in my house running PC-BSD (I prefer that over Linux mainly because I prefer the BSD oversight to software dev and releases Linux has too many amatuer programmers in a free for all IMHO).

I actually agree with you the Windows presupplied thing is ethically wrong. People should be able to consciously choose what they want without OEMs living in fear of loosing MS special volume licensing deals.

AFAIK, it would illegal for MS to mislead its financial reporting being a public company on the stock exchange. When I google vista sales I see a mix ranging from good to bad on "opinion" type articles. The official MS figures, which as I understand are required to meet accounting and legal standards seem pretty good.

Im not trying to argue mate for the sake of it

Its a topic I have interest in thats all.

bradclark1 · 08-24-07, 08:53 AM

Never mind. Already addressed.

SUBMAN1 · 08-24-07, 09:31 AM

Did you just respond to my article with a Microsoft propoganda letter? I'm not even going to bother replying to that.

-S

08-24-07, 07:39 AM	#32
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,698 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Reports from MS on the issue necessarily include marketing efforts - by trying to look optimistic. We had numbers on sales posted here in the forum some time ago. And they included those vistas that came with sales of complete machines and thus were unable to be evaded by customers. but fact is that they have time and again requests for machines being sold not with Vista. The separately sold numbers some months ago were reported to be disappointing. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...indows-xp.html we also had this thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ighlight=Vista and a hint from the release start: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/product...s_N.htm?csp=27 Okay, you love vista, I don't, this debate leads nowhere, so count me out. P.S. Search Button -> General Forum -> "Vista" __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-24-07, 09:31 AM	#35
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Did you just respond to my article with a Microsoft propoganda letter? I'm not even going to bother replying to that. -S __________________

08-24-07, 06:55 AM	#31
Bathrone Ensign Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 234 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 0	Sales of Vista has been good - MS reported on earnings with it recently. The assertion that Vista is a miserable failure is not matched by sales earnings. You can attempt to argue that so and so business had many returns or whatever, but ultimately the sales figures dont support those assertions. And really its the total sales that is meaningful to the debate. Some business have chosen to not upgrade to Vista cos they have security managed elsewhere and their internal machines really arent vulnerable to any real extent. But to claim that Vista doesnt work and is somehow grossly broken is simply wrong. Also there is things that saves money to business with their IT operations. One of the really big savings in the embedded imaging. No more lots and lots of different images for different builds. One image for x32 and image for x64. Simple. Fast. Zealots from Linux or MacOS would have you believe the reason that MS dominates the desktop OS market is because of a conspiracy - but really is because its widely supported by lots of hardware, has alot of good features and since Vista with being the first to go through the secure development lifecycle process that MS came up with to get its together from the problems with XP its the most secure theyve ever done.

08-24-07, 07:51 AM	#33
Bathrone Ensign Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 234 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 0	Well hangon I dont love it. My wife uses a MacOS on her Macbook, its nice. I also use Unix and have a machine in my house running PC-BSD (I prefer that over Linux mainly because I prefer the BSD oversight to software dev and releases Linux has too many amatuer programmers in a free for all IMHO). I actually agree with you the Windows presupplied thing is ethically wrong. People should be able to consciously choose what they want without OEMs living in fear of loosing MS special volume licensing deals. AFAIK, it would illegal for MS to mislead its financial reporting being a public company on the stock exchange. When I google vista sales I see a mix ranging from good to bad on "opinion" type articles. The official MS figures, which as I understand are required to meet accounting and legal standards seem pretty good. Im not trying to argue mate for the sake of it Its a topic I have interest in thats all.

08-24-07, 08:53 AM	#34
bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Never mind. Already addressed.