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Old 06-26-07, 09:28 AM   #31
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Thats why they're happy! Thats why every God fearing nation is happy
I would not at all describe the Israel of today as a G-d fearing nation.
I'll refraze that. God fearing nations or nations that believe in the bibical God seem to have confidence that the mightly one will make everything right. So theirs no need to worry, be happy and rejoice when you can.

And whats wrong with that!
It is a false hope. Need I point out to you numerous historical calamities that befell my people, when they thought that they had a free ticket to ride?
But isn't it better to have hope than to have none at all?
1. You have to be hoping for the right thing.
2. As General Tommy Franks said (and was in my sig until recently): "Hope is not a strategy."
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What were seeing here is hope all around the world, Christian nations are been attacked, yet they still stand firm.
What planet are you on? Christians are suffering throughout the Mideast and Africa and Eurabia is slowly being devoured.


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Without hope your giving up.
No argument. The problem is false hope.
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Without faith your nothing... And surely Avon you can't tell me you dont have hope or faith that one day it will be better for your ppl and christians alike.
One day is one thing. Wish it were tomorrow but if it isn't, there's plenty that needs fixin' until then.
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When American & British went to war during WW2 with their allies close behind, the war was won not only on milatary strength but on faith in the almighty.
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And who won...
Psalm 92:
1. A song with musical accompaniment for the Sabbath day.
2. It is good to give thanks to the Lord, and to sing to Your name, O Most High.
3. To declare in the morning Your kindness and Your faith at night.
4. Upon a ten-stringed harp and upon a psaltery, with speech upon a harp.
5. For You have made me happy O Lord, with Your work; with the work of Your hands I shall exult.
6. How great are Your works, O Lord! Your thoughts are very deep.
7. A boorish man does not know; neither does a fool understand this.
8. When the wicked flourish like grass, and all workers of violence blossom, only to be destroyed to eternity.
9. But You remain on high forever, O Lord.
10. For behold Your enemies, O Lord, for behold Your enemies will perish; all workers of violence will scatter.
11. But You have raised my horn like that of a wild ox; to soak me with fresh oil.
12. My eye has gazed upon those who stare at me [with envy]; when evildoers rise up against me, my ears hear [them].
13. The righteous one flourishes like the palm; as a cedar in Lebanon he grows.
14. Planted in the house of the Lord, in the courts of our God they will flourish.
15. They will yet grow in old age; fat and fresh will they be.
16. To declare that the Lord is upright, my rock in Whom there is no injustice.
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Old 06-26-07, 10:46 AM   #32
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I think this could apply to most countries citizens.
Go figure! :hmm:

As the saying goes, "you only have to worry about soldiers when they stop complaining."
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Old 06-26-07, 10:53 AM   #33
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Thats why they're happy! Thats why every God fearing nation is happy
I would not at all describe the Israel of today as a G-d fearing nation.
I'll refraze that. God fearing nations or nations that believe in the bibical God seem to have confidence that the mightly one will make everything right. So theirs no need to worry, be happy and rejoice when you can.

And whats wrong with that!
Thats bang on the definition of "opiate of the people". Do I have to explain what is wrong with that?
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Old 06-26-07, 12:21 PM   #34
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The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source, right? The same magazine that employs Michael (Qurans in the toilets at Gitmo) Isikoff. Here I promised myself this week I would be nice and I start off in this way. Oh what a mean man I am. The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the president. In essence 2/3s of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change.

So being the knuckle dragger I am, I starting thinking, ''What we are so unhappy about?''

Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter? Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job? Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?

Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through each state? Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter? I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and provide services to help all involved. Whether you are rich or poor they treat your wounds and even, if necessary, send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.

Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home, you may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of having a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings. Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes; an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90 percent of teenagers own cell phones and computers.

How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world? Maybe that is what has 67 percent of you folks unhappy.

Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S. yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.

I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The president who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled brats safe from terrorist attacks? The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me?

Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go. They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.

So why then the flat out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans? Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds it leads and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells. Just ask why they are going to allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book and do a TV special about how he didn't kill his wife but if he did … insane!

Stop buying the negative venom you are fed everyday by the media. Shut off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is exponentially more good than bad.

I close with one of my favorite quotes from B.C. Forbes in 1953:
''What have Americans to be thankful for? More than any other people on the earth, we enjoy complete religious freedom, political freedom, social freedom. Our liberties are sacredly safeguarded by the Constitution of the United States, 'the most wonderful work ever struck off at a given time by the brain and purpose of man.' Yes, we Americans of today have been bequeathed a noble heritage. Let us pray that we may hand it down unsullied to our children and theirs.''
I suggest this Thanksgiving we sit back and count our blessings for all we have. If we don't, what we have will be taken away. Then we will have to explain to future generations why we squandered such blessing and abundance. If we are not careful this generation will be known as the ''greediest and most ungrateful generation.'' A far cry from the proud Americans of the ''greatest generation'' who left us an untarnished legacy.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=53028
The obesity rate in America pretty much makes it all perfectly clear.

And the Baby Boomers are as worthless as any later generation, so this guy seems a little sanctimonious to me.

My parents were both members of the Greatest Generation, so although they were old when I was born, I feel extremely blessed to have had them as parents.
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Old 06-26-07, 01:14 PM   #35
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We're back on topic. Let's keep it there. We have plenty of Middle East threads on this forum for the rest.

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Old 06-26-07, 02:17 PM   #36
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What an idiotic pinhead article!
There, that about covers my thoughts on that drivel.
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The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source, right? The same magazine that employs Michael (Qurans in the toilets at Gitmo) Isikoff. Here I promised myself this week I would be nice and I start off in this way. Oh what a mean man I am. The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the president. In essence 2/3s of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change.

So being the knuckle dragger I am, I starting thinking, ''What we are so unhappy about?''

Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter? Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job? Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?

Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through each state? Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter? I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and provide services to help all involved. Whether you are rich or poor they treat your wounds and even, if necessary, send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.

Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home, you may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of having a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings. Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes; an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90 percent of teenagers own cell phones and computers.

How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world? Maybe that is what has 67 percent of you folks unhappy.

Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S. yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.

I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The president who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled brats safe from terrorist attacks? The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me?

Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go. They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.

So why then the flat out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans? Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds it leads and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells. Just ask why they are going to allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book and do a TV special about how he didn't kill his wife but if he did … insane!

Stop buying the negative venom you are fed everyday by the media. Shut off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is exponentially more good than bad.

I close with one of my favorite quotes from B.C. Forbes in 1953:
''What have Americans to be thankful for? More than any other people on the earth, we enjoy complete religious freedom, political freedom, social freedom. Our liberties are sacredly safeguarded by the Constitution of the United States, 'the most wonderful work ever struck off at a given time by the brain and purpose of man.' Yes, we Americans of today have been bequeathed a noble heritage. Let us pray that we may hand it down unsullied to our children and theirs.''
I suggest this Thanksgiving we sit back and count our blessings for all we have. If we don't, what we have will be taken away. Then we will have to explain to future generations why we squandered such blessing and abundance. If we are not careful this generation will be known as the ''greediest and most ungrateful generation.'' A far cry from the proud Americans of the ''greatest generation'' who left us an untarnished legacy.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=53028
Great Post. I'm makeing a copy of this and putting it on my wall and take a copy to my local V.F.W. and distribute it among my friends. You will of course be shown as author.
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What an idiotic pinhead article!
There, that about covers my thoughts on that drivel.
Why?
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No, not everyone. Get off the horse.
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How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world?
No, not everyone. Get off the horse.
How about the unlimited horseback riding potentials?
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This is the whole country, not just Kentucky.

And it's statements like that one that get my back up, American exceptionalism is unnecessary and unhelpful.
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Hey! Leave Kentucky out of this....

Several versions of this message or something similar have been circulating on the net for a while. One of them credited to Jay Leno.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/hitnail.asp
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Thats why they're happy! Thats why every God fearing nation is happy
I would not at all describe the Israel of today as a G-d fearing nation.
I'll refraze that. God fearing nations or nations that believe in the bibical God seem to have confidence that the mightly one will make everything right. So theirs no need to worry, be happy and rejoice when you can.

And whats wrong with that!
It is a false hope. Need I point out to you numerous historical calamities that befell my people, when they thought that they had a free ticket to ride?
Probably everyone has at one time or another. The French have certainly paid for their belief in "the Man on the White Horse".
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What an idiotic pinhead article!
There, that about covers my thoughts on that drivel.
Why?
Why bother trying to improve, we have everything.
We have the perfect president because he happened to be in office during 9/11? ...................Massive Edit!...............................

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Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen.
I honestly agree there.

I have heavily edited this because I think most are sick of threads sinking into a political firefight. Lets just say I disagree with some of his reasoning.
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What an idiotic pinhead article!
There, that about covers my thoughts on that drivel.
Why?
Why bother trying to improve, we have everything.
We have the perfect president because he happened to be in office during 9/11? ...................Massive Edit!...............................

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Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen.
I honestly agree there.

I have heavily edited this because I think most are sick of threads sinking into a political firefight. Lets just say I disagree with some of his reasoning.
I agree with you Brad, because most of the lame arguments this guy made, were also made to validate he Nazi's and Hitler. Everybody had a job, the trains ran on time, protecting us from the evil-doers (in the Nazi case Communists, Homosexuals, Slavs, Jews, Gypsies, and Catholics), etc etc etc.
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