The American Lefts silly victim complex

[August]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Er, yes. What's wrong with making money? He gives a lot of money to carbon-offset and carbon-neutral endeavours.

You have any proof of that? I've read that he hasn't signed up for the higher "green" electric rates and i have also read that the companies he buys carbon offset credits from are actually owned by him (ie he pays himself).

Do you give out about doctors getting paid as well?

If a doctor was smoking a butt while lecturing me about the evils of cigarettes, then yes, I might have a problem with that as well.

Look at what his work is, working towards reducing the dsamage we are doing to our planet. This mypoic focusing in on his house seems not last-ditch, but close.

Defend him all you want but the only thing Al Gore is working towards is making money. If it weren't promoting global warming hysteria it would be some other lucrative liberal cause.

And it's not just one house but a 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in Carthage, Tenn.) Lets not forget also the private jet he used to fly around the country promoting his lucrative scare movie as well as numerous limos, hotels and other expensive habits of the ultra rich.

Transport?
Lodging?

Who is kidding who? A private jet is not the same thing a bus ticket or a coach seat on Budget Airline. Let me refer you back to the article.

Using more energy than the average citizen is unfortunate, but universal among elected officials. I'm sure Gore's other activities more than offset the house.

No you are not sure, you just want to believe it.

Blatantly ignoring? i don't think so.

Ok maybe not blatantly, but ignoring none the less...

[Sea Demon]

There's a quote attributed to PT Barnum, Tchocky. I suggest you look into it. I've lived long enough to know a scam when I see it.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

If anything, Al Gore is a slick snake-oil salesman playing people's fears to make a buck. If people make excuses for him, and just can't see the outrageous hypocritical nature of this con-man, that's their problem with denial and blindness.

Sure, look at the Y2K Florida elections. The Gore camp didn't want ALL the votes being recounted, oh no! They only wanted recounts in those in the counties that favored him. Meanwhile his army of lawyers were getting every military absentee ballot they could thrown out because they tended to favor Bush.

Hypocracy is nothing new for the Democrats. While claiming to be the guardians of truth and justice they filed dozens of lawsuits in various states to get Naders name taken off the ballot. You didn't see the GoP doing the same thing to Perot...

Another part of the Y2K election was the insinuation that the people who would have voted for Algore couldn't; be cause the ballots were too dificult. Yet the people who voted for GWB didn't have any difficulty.

He called his own supporters stupid.:rotfl:

Edit: Here is the ballot.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by August

You have any proof of that? I've read that he hasn't signed up for the higher "green" electric rates and i have also read that the companies he buys carbon offset credits from are actually owned by him (ie he pays himself).

His power usage is, as Demon posted, around 18,000 kWh per month.
Gore bought 108 units of green energy every month, this equates to 16,200kWh per month. This costs an extra $432 per month (I was over when I said $450 in my last post, apologies)

http://www.nespower.com/green_power_switch.aspx

So that's equivalent to recycling 10 million coke cans a year. I think that offsets something

Defend him all you want but the only thing Al Gore is working towards is making money. If it weren't promoting global warming hysteria it would be some other lucrative liberal cause.

So it's hysterical to want to get off of oil and onto sources that don't pollute the air, sea and land? Count me hysterical then.
I don't understand this kind of nasty tarring, especially when it stems from one man's electricity bill, and not what he devotes his life to. You know, voting for a candidate because of their shoes. The misdirection of attention doesn't add up to me. If Gore is so obviously money-grubbing, wouldnt he be investing in oil? You know? The stuff that's running out and climbing in price every couple of months? Who's making record profits, Gore or Exxon?
And if he is in it purely for the money, why does his energy model cost him an extra $432 per month? That's not the behaviour of of someone who's out for cash..
Defending him? Not so much. But a lot of stuff here doesn't make sense.

Who is kidding who? A private jet is not the same thing a bus ticket or a coach seat on Budget Airline. Let me refer you back to the article.

Of course not. Gore offset all the promo flights he made, in a private jet, for the film. I don't know about hios speaking tours.

No you are not sure, you just want to believe it.

Yeah I want to believe it, it seems to be true too.
Measuring influence is difficult. Forgetting about the 10 million cans per year, look at how much more of an issue climate change is these days. It really is a top-agenda item in Europe, less so in the US, but in the ascendant. It needs someone at the head of it, Gore's not too bad. GIM's sustainability and ecological investments must be helping, so must the rafts of legislation currently in the works.

Ok maybe not blatantly, but ignoring none the less...

This was in reference to cutting back in consumption.
How the hell, when 16,000 out of 18,000 kWh come from green sources, can you say that he's ignoring it? Ignoring it would be not installing solar panels, not using energy efficient bulbs, not combining home and business into one building, not driving a hybrid.....on and on

(article? I had a look at it earlier)

August - Accusing the Democrats of hypocrisy during the Florida elections? never heard this before. Wasn't it only for the counties where results were disputed? Link?

GOP claims to guard truth and justice too, mind. Not like "they did it so it's ok for us", but it's not much to fight on.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

His power usage is, as Demon posted, around 18,000 kWh per month.
Gore bought 108 units of green energy every month, this equates to 16,200kWh per month. This costs an extra $432 per month (I was over when I said $450 in my last post, apologies)


So that's equivalent to recycling 10 million coke cans a year. I think that offsets something

So, he's paying himself (his stock interest) for "green energy". Do you even know what this so-called green energy is? Do you know where it comes from? Where it's used or how it's applied? Does this mean his SUV doesn't pollute? The jets he rides in (almost daily) aren't putting emissions into the air? His 3 mansions aren't using an egregious amount of energy even when he's not there? You people on the left crack me up. So let's all just alleviate our collective guilt by paying money to Gore himself or to Gore's company for these so-called "green energy units" every month to atone for our daily activities. Man, what a racket. I wish I would have thought of it. :rotfl:

[Heibges]

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I think the point of the article is the at folks the liberals say the serve and represent, don't exist any more. And they didn't do anything about it during their demise. They let the Republicans destroy the manufacturing base, drive family farms out of business, and send the National Debt throught the roof. There time to be liberal and indignant was 30 years ago, not now.

Reagan moved our hight paying manufacturing jobs overseas and destroyed the family farm, while Clinton and NAFTA drove the nail in the coffin.

Plus, between Reagan and Little Bushie, we have a debt we will never repay.

The liberals are more like Game Wardens, trying to protect wildlife, after the Republicans went out with powerful spotlights and killed them at night.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

So, he's paying himself (his stock interest) for "green energy". Do you even know what this so-called green energy is? Do you know where it comes from?

Yeah, mostly wind and solar as far as I know. Do you know?

Where it's used or how it's applied?

Same way normal electricity is used, because it is normal electricity.

Does this mean his SUV doesn't pollute? The jets he rides in (almost daily) aren't putting emissions into the air?

yes, that's exactly what it means. His bowel movements smell like rose petals too.

Exactly how much do you expect me to know about the personal life of someone i've never met or seen? And how much of this are you going to assume?

You people on the left crack me up. So let's all just alleviate our collective guilt by paying money to Gore himself or to Gore's company for these so-called "green energy units" every month to atone for our daily activities.

I'm trying to think of how much would end up coming back to Al, from that $432 every month. It can't be too much. Yeah, so some of the money comes back to him. That's the result of investing in ecologically-minded companies and buying green power.

Does anyone want to talk about the article? Dull and boring as it was, it seems to be the OP. This crap starts to get tiring once the "let me guess, you're another one of those college students" stuff starts flying.
Shall I start assuming things about other posters? Is that OK now?

ugh bleh and double ugh

[QUOTE/Originally Posted by Tchocky]I'm trying to think of how much would end up coming back to Al, from that $432 every month. It can't be too much. Yeah, so some of the money comes back to him. That's the result of investing in ecologically-minded companies and buying green power.
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And Dick Chenney invested in Haliburton. Yet he gets beat up for that.

[Tchocky]

Well, they're getting no-bid contracts, and inflating costs to line their own pockets. It's worth beating up Cheney for this.

But not with Dick Cheney's money, with taxpayers money. Yours, mine (but not to such an extent )

Also, Dick Cheney has holding in Halliburton.....because he was employed there. They gave him money to work there, and even when he wasn't working there, when he was VP.

They are not similiar situations, except in that both men once held the same post.

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[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Yeah, mostly wind and solar as far as I know. Do you know?

Same way normal electricity is used, because it is normal electricity.

yes, that's exactly what it means. His bowel movements smell like rose petals too.

Exactly how much do you expect me to know about the personal life of someone i've never met or seen? And how much of this are you going to assume?

I'm trying to think of how much would end up coming back to Al, from that $432 every month. It can't be too much. Yeah, so some of the money comes back to him. That's the result of investing in ecologically-minded companies and buying green power.

Where are these wind farms?? Where is the solar arrays from these "carbon offsets"? How is any of it being routed into commercial power distribution nodes? I just gotta laugh at the excuse making for this obvious conman. The logic, or lack of it, from the left is laughable. Using Al Gore's logic regarding paying for his own emissions, I can beat my wife because I give to the Women's Shelter. Geez. I don't know why lefties can't see that these people never put their money where their mouth is. These people can tell you all day they're buying "green energy units", and you don't have any knowledge of how it works, what it is, and it's distribution. Nobody else seems to either. It's just funny how the left seems to spout things out, and usually have a difficult time proving their assertions. This usually happens when your arguments come from an emotional core.

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Well, they're getting no-bid contracts, and inflating costs to line their own pockets. It's worth beating up Cheney for this.

But not with Dick Cheney's money, with taxpayers money. Yours, mine (but not to such an extent )

Also, Dick Cheney has holding in Halliburton.....because he was employed there. They gave him money to work there, and even when he wasn't working there, when he was VP.

They are not similiar situations, except in that both men once held the same post.

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Chenney has not been vested in any Haliburton business since becoming VP.
Algore is vested in GIM and is pushing hard for policy change which will enrich him while he happily uses all the energy he wishes while asking everyone else to conserve.

His behavior is but one example of the hypocracy which is mentioned inthe OP.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Where are these wind farms?? Where is the solar arrays from these "carbon offsets"? How is any of it being routed into commercial power distribution nodes?

18 turbines near Oak Ridge. I don't know about the nodes. I assume so, because it's gets from the power company to Al's house

I just gotta laugh at the excuse making for this obvious conman.

Please show me this obvious con. You've been saying this without backing it up.

The logic, or lack of it, from the left is laughable. Using Al Gore's logic regarding paying for his own emissions, I can beat my wife because I give to the Women's Shelter.

No, that would be buying a women's shelter and paying them not to beat your wife.
I really don't think this is a right/left issue. There's a lot of misuse of those terms, same as socialist/ism.

I don't know why lefties can't see that these people never put their money where their mouth is.

Well....if global warming really is a conspiracy of power-hungry scientists, then Gore is up a non-melting glacier without a paddle, isn't he? His livelihood depends on climate change being the threat that it is. That, to me, is putting money in mouth.

These people can tell you all day they're buying "green energy units", and you don't have no knowledge of how it works, what it is, and it's distribution. Nobody else seems to either.

http://www.nespower.com/green_power_switch.aspx

I posted this earlier, this is the scheme Gore is using. Have a look through it. It won't bite.

Oh wait, "dont have no knowledge". I see what you did there. It's nice to agree.

Originally Posted by waste gate

Chenney has not been vested in any Haliburton business since becoming VP.

No, but they have paid him over $300,000. I said nothing about investment.

Algore is vested in GIM and is pushing hard for policy change which will enrich him while
he happily uses all the energy he wishes while asking everyone else to conserve.

he does conserve. Also, most of his power comes from renewable sources.
I've been over (and over) this.

His behavior is but one example of the hypocracy which is mentioned inthe OP.

And this one.

Originally Posted by me, ages ago. *bangs head on table*

But only by a small amount, because it's just one (or twenty) households. Influencing policy, opinion and behaviour is what makes real change. And that's what Gore does full time. That's why he is not a hypocrite. If he sat on his ass all day and did nothing but request less well-off people to make sacrifices that he wasn't, then yes, he'd be a gold-plated hypocrite. But that is not the case, and I think you know it.

Originally Posted by Tchocky

http://www.nespower.com/green_power_switch.aspx

Each block will add $4 to your monthly power bill.

That is four dollars too much. It all adds up $4 for this $4 for that, $4 for the next thing. Where does it stop? Why should I or anyone else give Algore and company the money?

[August]

Look Tchocky, obviously you are not going to believe anything bad about your Saint Gore and you aren't going to change my mind that he's not just another political opportunist using the latest scare tactic du jour as his ticket back into political power. Certainly not with a generic link to the Nashville power service company which says absolutely nothing about what type of plan Gore is actually paying for.

Meanwhile arguing over it derails the thread, something you have accused others of doing in the past.

If you really feel that the Democrat party leadership aren't elitist know it alls who have disconnected themselves from the working American voting base they claim to champion against the ebil republicans then nothing i can say will change that opinion.

Personally I hope they continue along that path and we'll see who gets elected president in '08.