Daring Surface Attack - Page 3

bigboywooly · 06-11-07, 11:41 PM

Stormy conditions are your friend though they can make attacks harder the chances of being spotted are reduced also
Not sure how realistic it would be to conduct a convoy attack in such weather though
Moonless nights are another godsend

Penelope_Grey · 06-12-07, 10:36 AM

When the weather is too severe you simply cannot operate.

When conditions are Clouds: Overcast, Rain: Heavy, Windspeed: 15 m/s. There is no way you can successfully operate against a convoy in that, so I don't even try.

Generally speaking, I will attack in rough seas, provided the visibility is good enough to actually see where I am shooting.

rik007 · 06-12-07, 10:48 AM

What I'm wondering if there is someone who did escape at the suface as well. I think that is the main challenge rough sea or not.

Penelope_Grey · 06-12-07, 10:51 AM

I don't think trying to escape on the surface is feasible. Not realistically, they knew U-Boats attacked on the surface, so, the minute something went boom they would throw searchlights everywhere to try and find you.

Jimbuna · 06-12-07, 11:31 AM

In RL in the early years it was actually the favoured means of escape

Corsair · 06-12-07, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rik007

What I'm wondering if there is someone who did escape at the suface as well. I think that is the main challenge rough sea or not.

Early in the war if you are lucky that closest escorts are Flowers, you can outrun them on surface. On a dark night it works.

MarkShot · 06-12-07, 01:09 PM

Penelope,

Think about it ...

No radar.

Visibility is 500M perhaps even with search lights.

I can easily crawl 200M since the last DC attack.

The sweeping searching destroyers can easily be between 100-1000M from me as they hunt. They are hunting passive and active. They don't really care about the surface.

So, they readily create a condition where I can surface unobserved. At which point, they can neither hear my engines or ping my boat. Compared to my 1-2KTS crawl, when I hit the surface, I can sprint at 14-17KTS. Within a few minutes, they have lost any chance of possibly reestablishing contact with me.

In the meantime, as Kpt. Lehmann has indicated, they are going to spend 30 minutes trying to reestablish contact. Thus, I have two escorts tied up in a fruitless search while I can run off and sink more merchants.

With the heavy seas, I get a combination of deck watch and sound reports making it not that hard to locate the merchants.

Definitely give it a go. It's not as wreckless as it would seem.

Penelope_Grey · 06-12-07, 03:56 PM

I'll give it a try, but well, Radar will be hitting the scene soon, and I am in 1941 so they are getting better. So my window of opportunity is closing.

bigboywooly · 06-12-07, 04:04 PM

Even with radar you can out run a corvette
He will be able to follow you though and they do
For ever
Till you lose complete contact

Penelope_Grey · 06-12-07, 05:28 PM

Covettes if I am right, like Armed Trawlers, do not posess ASDIC. Diving and using Silent Speed is by far the most efficient way to get away from them.

Kpt. Lehmann · 06-12-07, 06:05 PM

Note to self: Change lost contact time in GWX v1.04 to kill spoiler presented on this thread

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MarkShot · 06-12-07, 07:00 PM

Party pooper!!!

Kpt. Lehmann · 06-12-07, 07:18 PM

My scientific response:

NEENER NEENER!!! :p

(Jeez, I need more coffee.)

MarkShot · 06-12-07, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

My scientific response:

NEENER NEENER!!! :p

(Jeez, I need more coffee.)

By the way, if my pace of comparing SH3/GWX to every other subsim ever published has slowed down, it's because I received a copy of CAW (Carriers at War) the other night.

Kpt. Lehmann · 06-12-07, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkShot

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

My scientific response:

NEENER NEENER!!! :p

(Jeez, I need more coffee.)

By the way, if my pace of comparing SH3/GWX to every other subsim ever published has slowed down, it's because I received a copy of CAW (Carriers at War) the other night.

LOL, so I guess you are saying that the onslaught is "to be continued later" yes?

<sigh>

Wonnnnderfullllll.

06-11-07, 11:41 PM	#31
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Stormy conditions are your friend though they can make attacks harder the chances of being spotted are reduced also Not sure how realistic it would be to conduct a convoy attack in such weather though Moonless nights are another godsend __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

06-12-07, 10:36 AM	#32
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	When the weather is too severe you simply cannot operate. When conditions are Clouds: Overcast, Rain: Heavy, Windspeed: 15 m/s. There is no way you can successfully operate against a convoy in that, so I don't even try. Generally speaking, I will attack in rough seas, provided the visibility is good enough to actually see where I am shooting. __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

06-12-07, 10:51 AM	#34
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I don't think trying to escape on the surface is feasible. Not realistically, they knew U-Boats attacked on the surface, so, the minute something went boom they would throw searchlights everywhere to try and find you. __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

06-12-07, 11:31 AM	#35
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,526 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	In RL in the early years it was actually the favoured means of escape __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-12-07, 01:09 PM	#37
MarkShot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,134 Downloads: 93 Uploads: 0	Penelope, Think about it ... No radar. Visibility is 500M perhaps even with search lights. I can easily crawl 200M since the last DC attack. The sweeping searching destroyers can easily be between 100-1000M from me as they hunt. They are hunting passive and active. They don't really care about the surface. So, they readily create a condition where I can surface unobserved. At which point, they can neither hear my engines or ping my boat. Compared to my 1-2KTS crawl, when I hit the surface, I can sprint at 14-17KTS. Within a few minutes, they have lost any chance of possibly reestablishing contact with me. In the meantime, as Kpt. Lehmann has indicated, they are going to spend 30 minutes trying to reestablish contact. Thus, I have two escorts tied up in a fruitless search while I can run off and sink more merchants. With the heavy seas, I get a combination of deck watch and sound reports making it not that hard to locate the merchants. Definitely give it a go. It's not as wreckless as it would seem. __________________ War games, not wars! --- Only a small few profit from war (that should not stand)!

06-12-07, 10:48 AM	#33
rik007 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 785 Downloads: 122 Uploads: 0	What I'm wondering if there is someone who did escape at the suface as well. I think that is the main challenge rough sea or not.

06-12-07, 03:56 PM	#38
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'll give it a try, but well, Radar will be hitting the scene soon, and I am in 1941 so they are getting better. So my window of opportunity is closing. __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

06-12-07, 04:04 PM	#39
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Even with radar you can out run a corvette He will be able to follow you though and they do For ever Till you lose complete contact __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

06-12-07, 05:28 PM	#40
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Covettes if I am right, like Armed Trawlers, do not posess ASDIC. Diving and using Silent Speed is by far the most efficient way to get away from them. __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

06-12-07, 06:05 PM	#41
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,994 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	Note to self: Change lost contact time in GWX v1.04 to kill spoiler presented on this thread . __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

06-12-07, 07:00 PM	#42
MarkShot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,134 Downloads: 93 Uploads: 0	Party pooper!!! __________________ War games, not wars! --- Only a small few profit from war (that should not stand)!

06-12-07, 07:18 PM	#43
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,994 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	My scientific response: NEENER NEENER!!! :p (Jeez, I need more coffee.) __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock