[REL] Better IJNAF Bomb Loads

tater · 05-30-07, 10:25 AM

Version 1.0

http://www.mediafire.com/?etdnc4jtldb

New link:
http://mpgtext.net/subshare/744Fixed%20IJNAF%20Bomb%20Loads.rar

This only alters the .cfg and .eqp files for each IJN aircraft. Bomb loads are changed for all planes, and a couple have minor range changes based on Rene Francillon's excellent book Japanese Aircraft of the Pacific War.

A few of the DC loadouts are lower than they really carried because the IJN air-dropped DC was about 1/2 the size of the type in SH4. There are many alternate possible loads for the larger aircraft I have not included in this version (mixed bomb sizes on 1 plane, etc). I also have not included torpedo loads on the H6K and H8K because any load added will be seen by submarines, and it was more of a specific strike package, not a regular maritime patrol load as far as I can tell.

This mod also reduces the Zero's bomb load to, well, zero. Operationally it would have been very very rare to come across a bombed up Zero. The only bomb use I have ever read of (aside from a single 250kg on kamikaze planes) was the use of air to air WP bombs, not A6Ms used as fighter bombers.

Future plans include reworking air groups on CVs, changes and additions to air bases, etc.

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I've tested it, but please inform me of any issues so I can fix them!

One area I guessed on was the type= for the bombs. 250s were type=2, 500s type=3, and so forth, so I set 100s to type=1. Seems to work.

OlegM · 05-30-07, 11:02 AM

What's the loadout of G4M Betty in your mod?

tater · 05-30-07, 11:10 AM

I only have 2 right now.

3x250kg, and 5x100kg.

G4M could only carry 800kg of bombs, and the model has 5 hardpoints for bombs.

A torpedo load would also be historical, but again, for maritime patrol this would be grossly atypical, and all I really care about is how it interacts with the subs.

If there was a way to weight the bomb loads, or even make some that would only appear in scripted units, but not in airgroup random spawns, I'd do that.

OlegM · 05-30-07, 11:18 AM

Your mod sounds great. Indeed torpedos were never carried for maritime patrol missions.

Lets not forget that aircraft are listed as cause of loss for only 5 USN subs throughout the whole WW2 (+ 6 subs were lost to "cooperative attacks by aircraft and surface ships") so I support any mod that makes them less lethal and more realistic. This is not Atlantic

tater · 05-30-07, 11:31 AM

The problem globally with air assets in this game is the airbase paradigm used.

Elanaiba suggested in a post that the airbases actually interact with each other, even if the player is not around! HE said messign with them too much, and the air war can get unbalanced (!?).

Anyway, I have a mod where I have changed the airgroups. Instead of generic small, normal, large, and floatplane bases, I have fighter sentai (small), single engine bomber (normal) sentai, multiengine bomber sentai (large) bases, plus a floatplane base with ONLY floatplanes, and a flyingboat base with only H6Ks transitioning to H8Ks over time: 9xH6K for a while, then 8xH6K, 1xH8K, then 6xH6K, 3xH8K, then 3xH6K, 6xH8K, then all H8K.

Then I build up more planes via mulitiple bases. A base with 18 fighters and 9 bombers I would replace with 2 small airbases (18 fighters) and one large base (9 bombers). If I actually put planes where the IJN had airdromes, there would be far far more planes than you see now, at least as counted by airgroup numbers.

It's pretty complicated, actually. Also, I think a dv post said that the airstrike.cfg probability is of your boat being SPOTTED by aircraft, it doesn't change the chance of planes being spotted by YOU. I'm going to test this.

If true, many more planes is not a problem really, as long as they most don't home on you like a harpoon missile.

ReallyDedPoet · 05-30-07, 11:34 AM

Nice work tater

RDP

donut · 05-30-07, 11:45 AM

We are going to try this. Did an intercept on a Task force,then an end around for second attack,the bees during day lite ,were swarming,. It was a Carrier TF,even so,it seemed aircraft carried to many DCs. We now have two 40mm mounts,for,& aft. Going flank,& zagging,We must have shot down twenty.To many ?

Thxs.,tater -- note:but it was fun!:p

tater · 05-30-07, 11:55 AM

Where in NM are you? I'm in ABQ.

05-30-07, 10:25 AM	#1
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	[REL] Better IJNAF Bomb Loads Version 1.0 http://www.mediafire.com/?etdnc4jtldb New link: http://mpgtext.net/subshare/744Fixed%20IJNAF%20Bomb%20Loads.rar This only alters the .cfg and .eqp files for each IJN aircraft. Bomb loads are changed for all planes, and a couple have minor range changes based on Rene Francillon's excellent book Japanese Aircraft of the Pacific War. A few of the DC loadouts are lower than they really carried because the IJN air-dropped DC was about 1/2 the size of the type in SH4. There are many alternate possible loads for the larger aircraft I have not included in this version (mixed bomb sizes on 1 plane, etc). I also have not included torpedo loads on the H6K and H8K because any load added will be seen by submarines, and it was more of a specific strike package, not a regular maritime patrol load as far as I can tell. This mod also reduces the Zero's bomb load to, well, zero. Operationally it would have been very very rare to come across a bombed up Zero. The only bomb use I have ever read of (aside from a single 250kg on kamikaze planes) was the use of air to air WP bombs, not A6Ms used as fighter bombers. Future plans include reworking air groups on CVs, changes and additions to air bases, etc. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------' I've tested it, but please inform me of any issues so I can fix them! One area I guessed on was the type= for the bombs. 250s were type=2, 500s type=3, and so forth, so I set 100s to type=1. Seems to work. Last edited by tater; 06-01-07 at 04:02 PM.

05-30-07, 11:34 AM	#6
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,888 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Nice work tater RDP __________________ Back in the Day

05-30-07, 11:45 AM	#7
donut The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Shifting, Whispering Sands, NM Posts: 1,463 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Keep up the rewarding expearience We are going to try this. Did an intercept on a Task force,then an end around for second attack,the bees during day lite ,were swarming,. It was a Carrier TF,even so,it seemed aircraft carried to many DCs. We now have two 40mm mounts,for,& aft. Going flank,& zagging,We must have shot down twenty.To many ? Thxs.,tater -- note:but it was fun!:p Last edited by donut; 05-30-07 at 11:56 AM.

05-30-07, 11:02 AM	#2
OlegM Engineer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 214 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	What's the loadout of G4M Betty in your mod?

05-30-07, 11:10 AM	#3
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I only have 2 right now. 3x250kg, and 5x100kg. G4M could only carry 800kg of bombs, and the model has 5 hardpoints for bombs. A torpedo load would also be historical, but again, for maritime patrol this would be grossly atypical, and all I really care about is how it interacts with the subs. If there was a way to weight the bomb loads, or even make some that would only appear in scripted units, but not in airgroup random spawns, I'd do that.

05-30-07, 11:18 AM	#4
OlegM Engineer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 214 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Your mod sounds great. Indeed torpedos were never carried for maritime patrol missions. Lets not forget that aircraft are listed as cause of loss for only 5 USN subs throughout the whole WW2 (+ 6 subs were lost to "cooperative attacks by aircraft and surface ships") so I support any mod that makes them less lethal and more realistic. This is not Atlantic

05-30-07, 11:31 AM	#5
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The problem globally with air assets in this game is the airbase paradigm used. Elanaiba suggested in a post that the airbases actually interact with each other, even if the player is not around! HE said messign with them too much, and the air war can get unbalanced (!?). Anyway, I have a mod where I have changed the airgroups. Instead of generic small, normal, large, and floatplane bases, I have fighter sentai (small), single engine bomber (normal) sentai, multiengine bomber sentai (large) bases, plus a floatplane base with ONLY floatplanes, and a flyingboat base with only H6Ks transitioning to H8Ks over time: 9xH6K for a while, then 8xH6K, 1xH8K, then 6xH6K, 3xH8K, then 3xH6K, 6xH8K, then all H8K. Then I build up more planes via mulitiple bases. A base with 18 fighters and 9 bombers I would replace with 2 small airbases (18 fighters) and one large base (9 bombers). If I actually put planes where the IJN had airdromes, there would be far far more planes than you see now, at least as counted by airgroup numbers. It's pretty complicated, actually. Also, I think a dv post said that the airstrike.cfg probability is of your boat being SPOTTED by aircraft, it doesn't change the chance of planes being spotted by YOU. I'm going to test this. If true, many more planes is not a problem really, as long as they most don't home on you like a harpoon missile.

05-30-07, 11:55 AM	#8
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Where in NM are you? I'm in ABQ.