Why do we have a rubbish National Anthem? - Page 3

Jimbuna · 05-30-07, 06:37 AM

Looks like since about 1572 :hmm:

06-01-07, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Looks like since about 1572 :hmm:

Wow well I guess a good national anthem takes time

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AntEater · 05-30-07, 06:40 AM

Actually, there's an argument wether "duytsche" means of "dutch" or "german".

William of Orange certainly was of german blood, as Hesse-Nassau is nowhere near the present netherlands. But on the other hand, back in the 16th century, dutch and german was not yet as problematic as post 1940..
Anyway, Wilhelmus was quite popular as a protestant combat song in the 30 years war in Germany as well, and apparently used as a choral even later, as the protestant states and church of Germany always regarded the netherlands as something of a role model.
But "oldest anthem" is a problem, as Wilhelmus was certainly THE national song of the Netherlands, but not the official anthem of the Netherlands until 1932.
The Kimigayo of Japan exists since the 10th century, as a song of reverence to the Tenno, but also was not a formal national anthem until the 1870s, when it was rearranged for a western style orchestra by a german composer working in Meji Japan.
I suppose the british "god save" really has to be considered the oldest. Haydns Kaiserlied (present day german anthem with different text) is also quite old, but the state it stood for (Habsburg Austria-Hungary) does not exist anymore.

Fish · 05-30-07, 06:02 PM

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How come all these other countries have great national anthems such as;

USA The Star spangled Banner, rockets bursting in air...all that very stirring

France Le Marselies (apologies for spelling) blood of invaders spilling on to the ground...way to go

Germany German Women, German Wine, German Song...prefer red myself so I'll pass on the Reisling...

The Netherlands:

William of Nassau, scion
Of a Dutch and ancient line,
I dedicate undying
Faith to this land of mine.
A prince I am, undaunted,
Of Orange, ever free,
To the king of Spain I've granted
A lifelong loyalty.

I've ever tried to live in
The fear of God's command
And therefore I've been driven,
From people, home, and land,
But God, I trust, will rate me
His willing instrument
And one day reinstate me
Into my government.

There are 15 of them.

So, it's not only the oldest national anthem of the world, but probable also the longest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Het_Wilhelmus

Actually, Wilhelmus is my baptism-name.

15 verses! wow that must take ages to sing I'd prefer to dive into a mine instead of having to sing that many verses

. How long did it take them to think up that many?! :hmm:

We use to sing just the two first verses.

tycho102 · 05-30-07, 01:02 PM

It's a long way to Tipperary

View Poll Results: What should the National Anthem be?
God Save The Queen (suppose I have to put it here)	9	23.68%
Jerusalem (good for sporting occasions)	2	5.26%
I Vow to Thee My Country (my favourite)	3	7.89%
Land of Hope and Glory (might annoy the ex-colonies!)	6	15.79%
Rule Brittania (possibly embarrasing)	8	21.05%
Between The Wars (hmm bit conciliatory)	1	2.63%
None of the above I want the poll again with my song	9	23.68%
Voters: 38. You may not vote on this poll

05-30-07, 06:37 AM	#1
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Looks like since about 1572 :hmm: __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-30-07, 06:40 AM	#3
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Actually, there's an argument wether "duytsche" means of "dutch" or "german". William of Orange certainly was of german blood, as Hesse-Nassau is nowhere near the present netherlands. But on the other hand, back in the 16th century, dutch and german was not yet as problematic as post 1940.. Anyway, Wilhelmus was quite popular as a protestant combat song in the 30 years war in Germany as well, and apparently used as a choral even later, as the protestant states and church of Germany always regarded the netherlands as something of a role model. But "oldest anthem" is a problem, as Wilhelmus was certainly THE national song of the Netherlands, but not the official anthem of the Netherlands until 1932. The Kimigayo of Japan exists since the 10th century, as a song of reverence to the Tenno, but also was not a formal national anthem until the 1870s, when it was rearranged for a western style orchestra by a german composer working in Meji Japan. I suppose the british "god save" really has to be considered the oldest. Haydns Kaiserlied (present day german anthem with different text) is also quite old, but the state it stood for (Habsburg Austria-Hungary) does not exist anymore. __________________

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tycho102 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,100 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It's a long way to Tipperary