What the FRAK?!?!?!!

[PopManiac]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

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A list I posted a while back...by no means complete, but just to show that many, many successful skippers only went on about 5 patrols.

Slade Cutter, USS Seahorse: 4 patrols, 72,000 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Gordon Underwood, USS Spadefish: 3 patrols, 75,386 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Henry Bruton, USS Greenling: 4 patrols, 54,564 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Robert Dornin, USS Trigger: 3 patrols, 54,595 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Malcom Garrison, USS Sandlance, 4 patrols, 37,368 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
John Moore, USS Grayback: 3 patrols, 45,757 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Eli Reich, USS Sealion II: 3 patrols, 59,839 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Williard Laughon, USS Rasher: 3 patrols, 38,340 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Enrique Haskins, USS Guitarro: 3 patrols, 25,400 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Bernard Clarey, USS Pintado: 4 patrols, 42,956 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Thomas Dykers, USS Jack: 4 patrols, 42,417 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Lowell Stone, USS Lapon: 4 patrols, 39,100 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Donald Weiss, USS Tinosa: 3 patrols, 39,047 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Charles Kirkpatrick, USS Triton: 3 patrols, 22,749 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Frank Selby, USS Puffer: 4 patrols, 38,159 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
George Grider, USS Flasher: 2 patrols, 43,718 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Thomas Hogan, USS Bonefish: 4 patrols: 34,329 JANAC confirmed tons sunk
Louis McGregor, USS Pike & USS Redfish: 4 patrols, 44,637 JANAC confirmed tons sunk

Very interesting stuff Mookie, great job!

But, do we know whether they were 'retired', transferred to other positions and was it on request?

From what I have read (admittedly little on US subs in Pacific on WWII) there was quite a lot of stress involved so COMSUBPAC did grant transfer requests from especially the less successful skippers.

Crew transfers were also quite common.

But, apologies if I sound stubborn, it still strikes me as odd that COMSUBPAC would have a standing policy per se of 'retiring' successful skippers.

Unless, there was some kind of 'rotation' program involved, but why breakup successful crews in the middle of a shooting war?

Or were things so successful and easy-going for COMSUBPAC to allow them to experiment in their human resources dept?

[dean_acheson]

It's ok..... just calm down a bit.

For goodness sake, your tonnage numbers are crazy, did you do that with a manual TDC?

[FAdmiral]

I read a post over at the mods forum that somebody did a fix for the early
retirement by modding the end dates in the campaign layers. I don't
remember who at the moment but go there & check it out....

JIM

[TripleDaddy]

I just went into the Flotilla.upc file and changed all the retirement dates to null, 'cause sugar boats never go out of style.

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by FAdmiral

I read a post over at the mods forum that somebody did a fix for the early
retirement by modding the end dates in the campaign layers. I don't
remember who at the moment but go there & check it out....

JIM

The FTT mod solves the early retirement issue and adds much more to the game. I've been using it for a few weeks with no issues.

[jerryt]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

The FTT mod solves the early retirement issue and adds much more to the game. I've been using it for a few weeks with no issues.

I'm using that mod, and just got the exact same retirement notice. It's Ok though, I just started a new carreer and made the new skipper a protege of the famous JT Toliver. I tell tales to the green crew about some of the hair rasing patrols I had with him.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by jerryt

I'm using that mod, and just got the exact same retirement notice. It's Ok though, I just started a new carreer and made the new skipper a protege of the famous JT Toliver. I tell tales to the green crew about some of the hair rasing patrols I had with him.

See its as simple as that. All this blathering and blood pressure rasing ranting accomplishes nothing other than... well raising your blood pressure.

[daft]

Originally Posted by PopManiac

Very interesting stuff Mookie, great job!

But, do we know whether they were 'retired', transferred to other positions and was it on request?

From what I have read (admittedly little on US subs in Pacific on WWII) there was quite a lot of stress involved so COMSUBPAC did grant transfer requests from especially the less successful skippers.

Crew transfers were also quite common.

But, apologies if I sound stubborn, it still strikes me as odd that COMSUBPAC would have a standing policy per se of 'retiring' successful skippers.

Unless, there was some kind of 'rotation' program involved, but why breakup successful crews in the middle of a shooting war?

Or were things so successful and easy-going for COMSUBPAC to allow them to experiment in their human resources dept?

Most skippers, successful or not were rotated back to the states for new construction (which usually meant spending an extended period of time away from the main war effort), or re-assigned to a desk job. Several skippers actually requested to be relieved of command even if they had been aggressive enough to please the higher-ups, simply because of exhaustion. However there was an acute shortage of qualified officers to command fleet boats so many returned to command front line boats, even those who were relieved of command early in the war because of their poor performances and lack of aggression.

If you look at the list of the top 76 submarine skippers by number of ships sunk provided in Appendix G of Clay Blair's Silent Victory two commanding officers made a total of 10 war patrols; John E. Lee (S-12, Grayling, Croaker) and James C. Dempsey (S-37, Spearfish, Cod). Two made nine patrols; Henry G. Munson (S-38, Crevalle, Rasher) and Thomas L. Wogan (S-34, Tarpon, Besugo). Then there are three that made 8 war patrols and the rest stand between 7 (10 skippers) and 2 patrols.

[marky]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

[Falls in with Stabiz and forces marky to the ground, injecting a shot of sleep-aid up his anus]

There. Now he should calm down.

Seriously, though, calm the Heck down, marky. The day you've made your own little video game a fraction of the detail and complexity of Silent Hunter 4, you can throw tantrums like a little two-year old. Except, of course, that by the time you've made and published your own title, you'll not throw any more tantrums as you'll realize the work and effort that goes into the making of them.

Constructive critisism. Look it up sometime.

both of ya stay away from my anus or ill kick ya in the clusters so hard ull be tastin em

however may i assume from your dedicated defense that u urself are a programmer?

in either case, programmer or not i say to hell with that

if programmers and game makers were as obsessed with making a GOOD game and finishing the job right instead of collecting their paychecks then this forum would be alot quieter

no offense meant tho eh? :rotfl:

[marky]

and indeed if i mae a game id make it right and make sure it was playable out of the frakkin box

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by marky

and indeed if i mae a game id make it right and make sure it was playable out of the frakkin box

Am I the only one that sees some irony here ?

[marky]

im afraid ive missed it completely mate:rotfl:

but again if ive offended people, get over it!:rotfl:

lol jk

[Biggles]

It's a bloody game, you can play it just how you want. Start a new campaign, reload the last one, whatever, I think it would be foolish to judge UBI and the entire game 'cause of this....

[TripleDaddy]

Of all the things I never expected to read here, this tops the list:

Originally Posted by marky

both of ya stay away from my anus

[heartc]

Originally Posted by marky

whoever had the bright idea to have a COMPUTER decide when to retire a human needs to lose his frakken job

BALAO boats being retired?!?!?! in 43?!?!?!?!

this is unbelievable!!!!

UBI neeeds to go bankrupt!!!!

if u cant make a decent game then u shouldnt be allowed to even try

SHUT THE **** UP.

There already is a thread about this topic since long, here:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=109507

But I don't really have to tell you, since you already know about this thread but just wanted to air your pathetic and childish rants in your own, new thread. Mr. Marky has been fouled, Mr. Marky is PISSED OFF and EVERYBODY has to KNOW ABOUT IT. Huh, that's how you feel, right? Oh, yes, Mr. Marky, please forgive the devs for the horrendous sin they commited against your innocent soul.

Moderators, you are WAY TOO LEAN in my opinion. I know this goes both ways and you might have to hang me, too, if you acted like I wish you did, but in the end, you got to ask yourself if you really want to play the "unbiased" observer and let the maniacs reign supreme, or what this should be all about here instead. Take a look at the name of this website, it might help in the decision. Because "Kindergarden.com" or "asylum.com" it is not.