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USS_shipmaster · 04-26-07, 04:58 PM

I believe that most of the CTD experienced here(after 2nd patch) are related to VISTA users. MS software is the MOST bugged product (do you remember windows millenium???).
IMHO anounced game featurea like chronometer, radars, stadimeter are must be done in 1.3... and resolution issue for guys with big TV sized monitors.

best regards to DEVS( respect 4 your job) , and damnation 2 UBI management

for B...S...-ing us

U-Bones · 04-26-07, 05:20 PM

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I'm stunned that anyone thinks 1 more patch will do it...

The game is almost reasonably playable, but mostly because I think more patches are coming. If I thought 1.2 was it, I probably would stop wasting my time.

Reasonable functionality is required for immersion.

1 more patch if it is done right! If it is, no more patches needed

ah, a qualifier

/agree, dubiously but hopefully

Fearless · 04-26-07, 05:49 PM

Yep, a lot relates to Vista. better start stirring Microsoft up as well in their forum. Oooopppsss!!! They don't have a forum.

Anyway, another patch should be in the works but so far mine is running ok with no ctds yet (touch wood) with the 1.2 patch.

Slick Rick · 04-27-07, 07:19 AM

I am running XP and I have had a handful of CTDs .....plus the other issues that everyone else seems to be having....the functionality of this game is not what I would have thought it would be when releasing a game like this....I know that there will always be issues...but I thought the beta version would have cleared most of these up.....I dont understand why they didnt include the morph to base function either.....it makes no sense to me in leaving this out.....

mookiemookie · 04-27-07, 07:22 AM

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I can't play career mode due to constant CTD errors. I can have the training missions up for a few hours without problems, but career mode always crashes after playing for a bit (sometimes during TC, sometimes during realtime play). I had CTDs before 1.2, but they seem to have gotten much worse since the patch. That is pretty much unacceptable. I'm running XP, not Vista.

Ill counter by saying Ive never had a single solitary CTD not one. Thats from version 1.0 on.

Well excpet that one time I pushed the A ke to see if it would and it did.

I've had 2. Once from the A key and once from the pre-1.2 patch stadimeter. None since 1.2. I honestly think a lot of the problem lies in people's computer setups. and not the game per se

tonyeh · 04-27-07, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by akdavis

I can't play career mode due to constant CTD errors. I can have the training missions up for a few hours without problems, but career mode always crashes after playing for a bit (sometimes during TC, sometimes during realtime play). I had CTDs before 1.2, but they seem to have gotten much worse since the patch. That is pretty much unacceptable. I'm running XP, not Vista.

Ill counter by saying Ive never had a single solitary CTD not one. Thats from version 1.0 on.

Well excpet that one time I pushed the A ke to see if it would and it did.

Me too. Despite all of SHIV's problems, I've not had a single CTD here either.

Tony

Sailor Steve · 04-27-07, 10:42 AM

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We have lemon laws for cars, what we need now are lemon laws for software.

There are lemon laws for cars because with a car, "crash" means something very different than with a computer. Having a piece of software fail won't kill you.

U-Bones · 04-27-07, 10:48 AM

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We have lemon laws for cars, what we need now are lemon laws for software.

There are lemon laws for cars because with a car, "crash" means something very different than with a computer. Having a piece of software fail won't kill you.

Not the software we play with, but...

SteamWake · 04-27-07, 01:59 PM

I had a jewlcase fall of the desk and land on my foot leving a nice bruise.

Does that qualify ?

Mudrik · 04-27-07, 02:56 PM

I am of such mixed opinion over this whole issue. I've never played a SH game before and was absolutely amazed at how compulsive the game could be. Sure, there were a few niggles but I think I was so impressed to start with that I lived with them happily.

Then came my introduction to subsim and the modding that could be done. It made it clear to me that there are a lot of talented modders who have identified areas of the game that can be improved and have put in the hours required to make those improvements. I then started looking for more and more mods to install and started to notice areas where the game was quite frankly, totally broken.

Along came patch 1.1 and that seemed to fix a few problems. Then came 1.2 and I was looking forward to the patch that would fix everything.

As with many users, I was horrified by how broken the game became after 1.2 but, and it is quite a but, I have adapted and learnt to play the game in it's broken state (saving the game every 10 mins or so helps greatly) and am now enjoying it massively. Sure a few CTDs when having forgotten to save for an hour or two have been almost keyboard trashing affairs but I am, without doubt, enjoying the game.

I am happy to wait for a 1.3 patch as long as the developers take note of the comments posted on the forum, spend more time testing and wait until everything is fixed prior to release. We will then all have a fully playable version that we can all enjoy for a long time to come.

tonyeh · 04-29-07, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by akdavis

I can't play career mode due to constant CTD errors. I can have the training missions up for a few hours without problems, but career mode always crashes after playing for a bit (sometimes during TC, sometimes during realtime play). I had CTDs before 1.2, but they seem to have gotten much worse since the patch. That is pretty much unacceptable. I'm running XP, not Vista.

Ill counter by saying Ive never had a single solitary CTD not one. Thats from version 1.0 on.

Well excpet that one time I pushed the A ke to see if it would and it did.

Me too. Despite all of SHIV's problems, I've not had a single CTD here either.

Tony

Well...I'm going to have to take this back. Last night the game crashed and kept crashing every time I passed by the tiny islands SW of Honshu.

Tony

oritpro · 04-29-07, 12:59 PM

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We have lemon laws for cars, what we need now are lemon laws for software.

There are lemon laws for cars because with a car, "crash" means something very different than with a computer. Having a piece of software fail won't kill you.

Lemon laws were created to provide consumers with a legal course of action if they purchase an automobile that fails repeatedly. Of course certain failures can compromise safety but that is not sole basis for the law.

Autos that are purchased "as is" do not qualify under the lemon law.

Most EULAs basically state that the software is purchased "as is" and not guaranteed for any particular purpose nor is it guaranteed to work at all.

The EULA is usually in the box and once you have opened that box you are no longer entitled to a refund, only an exchange.

This doen't seem fair to me, how about you?

A software "crash" can mean different things to different people. For some, it is merely an inconvenience, for others it can mean a loss of several thousand dollars.

With that said, I am enjoying SHIV with the new patch and various mods that were so graciously provided by the modding community; however, I am still disappointed that I had to wait so long for that software to get fixed AFTER I had spent my money on it. I bought two seriously bugged titles in one week, so I hope you can understand my discontentment.

In my opinion, this is a trend that needs to stop.

FWIW - TDU is the absolute buggiest pile of steaming dog doo that I have ever purchased and the publisher STILL hasn't released a patch despite numerous complaints. At least Ubi has released two for SHIV.

Spectre-63 · 04-29-07, 02:20 PM

I think a lot of people may be blaming Vista for CTDs that are more likely related to the individual's system. I've been running SH4 under Vista from the beginning and have yet to see a CTD. Regardless, CTDs are usually related to the program being run, rather than the OS.

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A software "crash" can mean different things to different people. For some, it is merely an inconvenience, for others it can mean a loss of several thousand dollars.

Can you give me an example where a software 'crash' cost someone several thousand dollars? I've been repairing PC's and PC-based networks for over 15 years now and have never seen a piece of software cause that level of damage.

It should also be pointed out that everyone who's bought more than one PC game should know what the deal is with the EULA and store return policies. If the risk seems unacceptable, don't take it. At the same time, if you choose to take the risk, don't fault the EULA if you get stung. Take responsibility for your own decisions.

oritpro · 04-29-07, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Spectre-63

I think a lot of people may be blaming Vista for CTDs that are more likely related to the individual's system. I've been running SH4 under Vista from the beginning and have yet to see a CTD. Regardless, CTDs are usually related to the program being run, rather than the OS.

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Originally Posted by oritpro

A software "crash" can mean different things to different people. For some, it is merely an inconvenience, for others it can mean a loss of several thousand dollars.

Can you give me an example where a software 'crash' cost someone several thousand dollars? I've been repairing PC's and PC-based networks for over 15 years now and have never seen a piece of software cause that level of damage.

It should also be pointed out that everyone who's bought more than one PC game should know what the deal is with the EULA and store return policies. If the risk seems unacceptable, don't take it. At the same time, if you choose to take the risk, don't fault the EULA if you get stung. Take responsibility for your own decisions.

Absolutely. Let's take for example an ERP software solution where most if not all departments and their functions are integrated into a single system. If you have been working on networks for as long as you say, then this example requires no further explanation.

Of course this applies to the Enterprise, gaming software is not used for profit unless you're into competition gaming.

As for the EULA, I am really suprised to see that any consumer would want to defend the current distribution methods used by software publishers. There are certains risks involved with anything you buy but most products can be returned for a refund--even if the box has been opened. Not so with software and that is not right.

I worked in IT for over 20-years as a network admin before I got fed up with the industry and left. Being on-call 24/7, spending hours of my free time trying to stay on top of technology, and watching jobs get outsourced (including my own) to the lowest bidder overseas are the main reasons I left.

marky · 04-29-07, 07:46 PM

i have to agree

ubi $%^#$% me off this time

this is about the 3rd #$%#$% time im trying toi get Thresher home from Tokyo Bay and im out of #$%#$% fuel

this is absolutely #@$%#$% rediculous

04-26-07, 04:58 PM	#31
USS_shipmaster Torpedoman Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New York Posts: 114 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I believe that most of the CTD experienced here(after 2nd patch) are related to VISTA users. MS software is the MOST bugged product (do you remember windows millenium???). IMHO anounced game featurea like chronometer, radars, stadimeter are must be done in 1.3... and resolution issue for guys with big TV sized monitors. best regards to DEVS( respect 4 your job) , and damnation 2 UBI management for B...S...-ing us __________________ All animals are equal. But some animals are more equal than others" G.O.

04-27-07, 07:19 AM	#34
Slick Rick Sonar Guy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Whats left of Florida Posts: 396 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I am running XP and I have had a handful of CTDs .....plus the other issues that everyone else seems to be having....the functionality of this game is not what I would have thought it would be when releasing a game like this....I know that there will always be issues...but I thought the beta version would have cleared most of these up.....I dont understand why they didnt include the morph to base function either.....it makes no sense to me in leaving this out..... __________________ Wasserbomb!!!!

04-26-07, 05:49 PM	#33
Fearless Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,047 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 1	Yep, a lot relates to Vista. better start stirring Microsoft up as well in their forum. Oooopppsss!!! They don't have a forum. Anyway, another patch should be in the works but so far mine is running ok with no ctds yet (touch wood) with the 1.2 patch.

04-27-07, 01:59 PM	#39
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I had a jewlcase fall of the desk and land on my foot leving a nice bruise. Does that qualify ?

04-27-07, 02:56 PM	#40
Mudrik Gunner Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: passing thermal layer, silent running Posts: 94 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I am of such mixed opinion over this whole issue. I've never played a SH game before and was absolutely amazed at how compulsive the game could be. Sure, there were a few niggles but I think I was so impressed to start with that I lived with them happily. Then came my introduction to subsim and the modding that could be done. It made it clear to me that there are a lot of talented modders who have identified areas of the game that can be improved and have put in the hours required to make those improvements. I then started looking for more and more mods to install and started to notice areas where the game was quite frankly, totally broken. Along came patch 1.1 and that seemed to fix a few problems. Then came 1.2 and I was looking forward to the patch that would fix everything. As with many users, I was horrified by how broken the game became after 1.2 but, and it is quite a but, I have adapted and learnt to play the game in it's broken state (saving the game every 10 mins or so helps greatly) and am now enjoying it massively. Sure a few CTDs when having forgotten to save for an hour or two have been almost keyboard trashing affairs but I am, without doubt, enjoying the game. I am happy to wait for a 1.3 patch as long as the developers take note of the comments posted on the forum, spend more time testing and wait until everything is fixed prior to release. We will then all have a fully playable version that we can all enjoy for a long time to come.