[Review] SH4 on YouGamers

[Seatroit]

Originally Posted by ronh42

Heck maybe I'm too old at 65 to worry about a few minor flaws, I've had much bigger disappointments in life. But ever since patch 1.2 I'm having a ball. As for wasting $50 how many bad meals have you had for that much, while here with a little patience you can have hundreds of hours of enjoyment. Remember guys nothing in life is PERFECT! Thanks to everyone for all the help and great mods, I'm glad I discovered this site.

nice post...that goes for me too...I'm having an absolutely great time with this sim, warts and all...could it be better?...yes...do I care?...nope. I'm having too much fun and at least for me, is worth the ticket price.

[Tobus]

Originally Posted by maerean_m

We've all seen how good the game looks and yet yougamers gives it a 60. That is completely wrong, no matter how you put it. SH4 looks as good as any 2007 game. Even more, the graphics look great in the correct places with no exageration in any aspect: no useless efects to ruin the experience, just gorgeous boats, modeled to the last nit. The weather effects and the whole experience make you wonder if you're watching Discovery Channel. But no, it's a game and you're in total control of the world.
The reviewer should have given it a great mark.
This is the mistake all reviewers do this days: there is no place to tell the bad points, only places for good points. So he's forced to give a 60 mark on a game with great graphics.

Sooo: a game that has technical flaws galore, has stuff mentioned in the manual that doesn't work or even exist in the game, has screwy AI, has all the signs of being brought out to early (hence the MULTIPLE patches needed), but looks excellent while doing so, deserves a 10 out of 10?
:rotfl:

[MikeJW]

Doesnt need a 10 out of 10 but even pre 1.2 it's better than 65%. If graphics count for 1/4 of their reviews then I take their reviews with a grain of salt. Yep, theres problems in SH4 but some of his problems werent problems with the game but rather problems of ignorance. And they were problems that anyone who spent more than an hour playing would know how to do it correctly.

[jerryt]

Originally Posted by ronh42

Heck maybe I'm too old at 65 to worry about a few minor flaws, I've had much bigger disappointments in life. But ever since patch 1.2 I'm having a ball. As for wasting $50 how many bad meals have you had for that much, while here with a little patience you can have hundreds of hours of enjoyment. Remember guys nothing in life is PERFECT! Thanks to everyone for all the help and great mods, I'm glad I discovered this site.

Lol, same here. I'll hit the big 50 this year and seem to be mellowing out as well.

Bottom line for me and games is, am I having fun? SH4, I have to say yes. Does it need work? You bet, but being a MS flight simmer as well, I know all to well how you basically have to have a mod community to make the game great. So far the sub sim mod guys are doing a great job , and I have high hopes for the sim.

[NEON DEON]

Originally Posted by jerryt

Lol, same here. I'll hit the big 50 this year and seem to be mellowing out as well.

Bottom line for me and games is, am I having fun? SH4, I have to say yes. Does it need work? You bet, but being a MS flight simmer as well, I know all to well how you basically have to have a mod community to make the game great. So far the sub sim mod guys are doing a great job , and I have high hopes for the sim.

I Suppose I would take 65 given by the reviewer and then add Neal's reiview (After all this is a sub game) at 9.5 * 10 = 95.

So splitting the difference between the 2 gives it an 80.

However I would tack on another 5 points because I believe Neal is good at what he does and give it a some what non tilted rating of 85.

This is of course is the weekend so my adjusted rating might be a bit off because I am in a good mood.

Take her Deep!

[neeyik]

Originally Posted by Ghostieguide

"Set in the Pacific during World War II (that's 1941 - 1945 for those of us who slept through history class),"

Grrrrrrr

I read this far and stopped reading.....

Even wikipedia says "World War II (abbreviated WWII), or the Second World War, was a worldwide conflict which lasted from 1939 to 1945."

I think someone was asleep

In Aaron's defence, he wasn't asleep but referring to the dates that America officially joined the Allies in the war (given that he's American himself). However, to avoid future confusion, I've adjusted that part of the review accordingly. Shame that one minor error is enough for to stop reading the rest of an article!

Originally Posted by maerean_m

Have you noticed that all screenshots in yougamers' review are from patch 1.2 and yet he talkes about the 3D resolution limitation (in v1.0)? I wish he could make his mind about the version he's reviewing. The review is dated Apr 20th, after the release of patch 1.2.

Not all of them but you're right in that we haven't specifically indicated which shots have been taken from which version. I'll get this sorted quickly, otherwise it will just confuse matters I think.

Reviews, due to the amount of hardware testing, do take a while which is why they can often get released after certain patch dates. However, they're also done on a "as released" basis, with any future updates noted in the patches section at the end of the review.

We've all seen how good the game looks and yet yougamers gives it a 60. That is completely wrong, no matter how you put it. SH4 looks as good as any 2007 game.

What other 2007 games limit one to a resolution of 1024 x 768 and don't allow AA, even though no HDR or deferred rendering is taking place?

My final conclusion is that review is missleading and the mark will scary gamers away. He's obviously talking about the 1.2 patched version, which deserves better than that 65 mark.

The review explicitly deals with the v1.0 and v1.1 version of SH4, whereas v1.2 is covered at the end of the review.

Ultimately though, everyone will have a different opinion on the matter though, which is why one should always go through a variety of sources when looking for feedback on a game. How many of us have looked at a review and disagreed with the scores?

Many thanks for the comments and feedback everyone.

[Steeltrap]

Neeyik

I believe the purpose of a review is to reflect correctly the experience the reviewer has when trying a game, both positive and negative. Explanations should be given where possible, and points of view clearly differentiated from statements of fact.

I thought the review was the best and most reasonable I've yet read. I took the trouble to write something on your site to that effect.

For me, the game is a disgrace and I can't see it getting close to the level I expect for at least another 2-3 patches, plus major work by the modding community. Paying $100 for it is insulting - not being able to return it adds injury.

Cheers

[gg5056]

sh4 after practice sh4 is easier than sh3 to play.

[neeyik]

Originally Posted by Ark

I believe the final rating is the average of the 4 scores given, rounded up.

The final rating isn't an average of the others but a separate "overall" feeling of the game. Our scoring methodology is given here: http://www.yougamers.com/aboutus/methodology/

Originally Posted by Steeltrap

I believe the purpose of a review is to reflect correctly the experience the reviewer has when trying a game, both positive and negative. Explanations should be given where possible, and points of view clearly differentiated from statements of fact.

Totally agree and any time that we stray from this, then let me know!

I thought the review was the best and most reasonable I've yet read. I took the trouble to write something on your site to that effect.

Thanks for doing so - I'm sure Aaron will be very gratified to read all these comments, given the time he took testing it (I also did a reasonable amount of testing too).

Originally Posted by gg5506

sh4 after practice sh4 is easier than sh3 to play.

I've played SH3 for so long though that I struggle quite a lot with #4 - especially plotting courses, marking lines and so on. It seemed a much quicker and easier thing to do before than selecting a pencil image dumped amongst a pile of other tools.