So Ive sunk the Yamato 5 times...

[Charos]

Originally Posted by Beery

The problem is that there are 65 Battleships in the 34 groups in the Jap_TaskForce.mis files. Each Battleship has a 50% chance of appearing in a task force, so that means that in effect every task force encountered will have a Battleship in it and every fifth battleship is a Yamato, so that means about every fifth task force a player sees will have a Yamato in it.

I think if the percentage chance of a Yamato being in a group was dropped to about 5% that would make the game a bit more believable - you'd maybe see a Yamato once in every couple of careers.

At the rate we run into taskforces in this >>>>GAME<<<< it seems Japan even melted its Beer cans down into Battleships.

[tater]

The only BB class missiong is Nagato (and her sister, Mutsu). They look like maybe Ise the most. They were laid down in 1921.

Actually, Yamato was attacked by more than 1 sub, and she was spotted by others as well.

Yamato's TROM: http://www.combinedfleet.com/yamato.htm (bolded stuff (by me) is an attack, other entries are sighting reports or attacks on other vessels in Yamato's company)

28 August 1942:
Near Truk. YAMATO is attacked by LtCdr (later Vice Admiral) Glynn R. Donaho's USS FLYING FISH (SS-229). Since Donaho's ONI 41-42 "Recognition Manual" does not include the unknown YAMATO-class, he identifies her as a "KONGO-class" battleship. Donaho fires four Mark 14 steam torpedoes and thinks that he sees two hits, but they are premature explosions. YAMATO launches at least one E13A1 "Jake" floatplane to counter-attack. FLYING FISH is bombed and depth-charged by four escorts, but makes good her escape.

25 December 1943:
180 miles NE of Truk. At 0320, LtCdr (later Rear Admiral) Eugene B. McKinney, acting on an "Ultra", is running on the surface in USS SKATE (SS-305). McKinney picks up YAMATO at 27,000 yards. He dives and tries to close, but is unsuccessful until YAMATO turns towards him. He passes down her starboard beam, turns and fires his four stern tubes at her. One or two Mark 14-3A torpedoes hit YAMATO on the starboard hull near turret No. 3 at 10-5N, 150-32E. A total failure of the main armor belt system occurs due to a flawed joint between the upper and lower side protection belts. The upper magazine for No. 3 turret floods. YAMATO takes on about 3,000-tons of water. The transport mission is aborted.

11 January 1944:
At 1800, YAMATO is spotted by USS HALIBUT (SS-232), but the submarine is unable to attack.

14 January 1944:
At 2330, USS BATFISH (SS-310) picks up YAMATO group on radar, then visually, but BATFISH is unable to close the range for an attack.

10 June 1944: Operation "KON" - The Relief of Biak:
1600: Departs Tawi Tawi for Batjan with the MUSASHI, CruDiv 5's HAGURO and MYOKO, DesRon 2's light cruiser NOSHIRO and destroyers. Cdr Sam Dealey in USS HARDER (SS-257), on station nearby, reports the Kon Force leaving Tawi Tawi.

15 June 1944:
YAMATO group is sighted and reported by the USS SEAHORSE (SS-304) east of Mindanao

17 June 1944:
Refuels from the 1st Supply Force's oilers, then joins the Mobile Fleet. Later, the Mobile Fleet is sighted by USS CAVALLA (SS-244) in the Philippine Sea.

23 October 1944: The Battle of the Palawan Passage:
Two American submarines attack Force A. Cdr (later Captain) David H. McClintock's USS DARTER (SS-227) sinks Kurita's flagship, cruiser ATAGO. Kurita abandons ship and is picked from the water by destroyer KISHINAMI. Ten hours later, he transfers to YAMATO and resumes command of the First Diversion Attack Force. Cdr (later Captain) Bladen D. Claggett's USS DACE (SS-247) sinks cruiser MAYA. DARTER also damages cruiser TAKAO. (not an attack on Yamato, but she was there—tater)

21 November 1944:
The YAMATO group is attacked by USS SEALION II (SS-215). KONGO and destroyer URAKAZE are sunk. (not an attack on Yamato, but she was there—tater)

6 April 1945: THREADFIN radios a detailed sighting report of the Attack Force's presence in the Bungo Suido to COMSUBPAC at Guam. The report is intercepted by YAMATO. Later, USS HACKLEBACK (SS-295) also sights the Attack Force and reports, but neither submarine is able to close the range for an attack.

[tater]

Note that for Yamato there is plenty of steaming around to and from Truk to various places that with radius waypints there would be a decent chance of seeing her, particularly for boats that patrol anywhere between Truk, the Philipines, and Japan.

Then there is Musashi, but they were in company most of the time.

I'm still banging away on the layers, but honestly, I'm loathe to work too hard until we find out what the plans are for any future features (ideally some even halfway attempt at the dynamism the box promises), it's a LOT of work.

tater

[Beery]

Originally Posted by tater

The only BB class missiong is Nagato (and her sister, Mutsu). They look like maybe Ise the most. They were laid down in 1921.

I think maybe I'll bung them in under the Ise class - hehe it'll work as a a recognition manual mistake.

[AhhhFresh]

I have only run into the Yamamoto once but it was in a task force with the Musashi (well obviously not really, but I did come across a TF with 2 Yamamotos and at least 3 other BB's).

I can see how that might be a tad unrealistic.

[Seminole]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Know what ... I dont belive you.. post the log ... prove it.

You know, his point was the fact that it is possible to run acoss the Yamato so frequently...not that he sunk 5 Yamatos.

Even if he had been at full "realism" the 5 Yamatos would still be there spoiling the immersion effect, and that I think, was his true complaint.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by tater

Note that in the cfg you posted about it has the correct date for Yamato was registered. She never left the inland sea until Midway, however. So that means there are about 6 months where she is appearing (has a chance to appear) in every single TF that asks for a Generic BB (which is all of them that ask for a BB).

It's not just Yamato, though, it's every single warship. There were not many of ANY BB Class. Or CVs total.

From her TROM:
YAMATO, the world’s mightiest battleship, remains at Truk as a “hotel” from 29 August 1942 until 8 May 1943.

So we know where to find her for over 8 months in the middle of the war. Anchored at Truk. 5 days after that she's back in Japan for 3 months.

That is funny since in my last 1.1 patrol, I entered Truk and sailed around in april 1943, it is totally empty! :rotfl:

I guess we will have to wait until someone creates a campaign layer with Truk as a functioning IJN base!

[tater]

Yamamoto Isoroku was the PERSON, the Admiral. The SHIP was the Yamato.

As for Truk, it doesn't exist for the japanese in this game. Odd, since it was virtually their "Pearl Harbor."

Seeing Yamato and Musashi together would be pretty typical, as would seeing both of them with the other BBs that happened to be in BatDiv 1 with them from time to time.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Beery

I think maybe I'll bung them in under the Ise class - hehe it'll work as a a recognition manual mistake.

Here's a page from an ONI recognition manual of a Nagato: http://lcoat.tripod.com/Nagato.jpg

[LobsterBoy]

If you're going to work on the random appearance of ships, don't forget the US as well. I left Pearl on a patrol and saw a US task force with 2 New Mexico and 2 North Carolina battleships (with escorts, no carriers).

On Dec. 17th 1941 !!!!!!

It seemed they were on their way to the Marshalls.

[AhhhFresh]

Originally Posted by tater

Yamamoto Isoroku was the PERSON, the Admiral. The SHIP was the Yamato.

As for Truk, it doesn't exist for the japanese in this game. Odd, since it was virtually their "Pearl Harbor."

Seeing Yamato and Musashi together would be pretty typical, as would seeing both of them with the other BBs that happened to be in BatDiv 1 with them from time to time.

Ah, whoops.

I wasn't sure, but naively I wouldn't have expected them to travel together. Eggs in one basket and whatnot.

[tater]

The primary rule in warfare is "concentration of force." Any failure to mass forces is the actual problem. So the "eggs in one basket" thing doesn't apply. Spreading out your principal combatants increases their chance of being destroyed in detail.

Look at the Midway attack. Yamamoto spread his attack for into 3 groups incapable of mutual support (no, the Alaska operation doesn't count, it was planned before Midway and while useful as a possible distraction, it was not intended as a distraction). The mind boggles. Had the "Main Body" (the very title of the BB group tells volumes of the IJN's failure to recognize the lesson they taught the world December 7th) sailed with the CVs they could ahve at least added to the volume of AAA fire, and might possibly have sucked up some of the attacks from the air. It also would have given them a better chance to try and force a surface engagement, somethig that was impossible with the Main Body so far behind the CVs.

tater

[Snuffy]

I didn't see anything where the original poster said he was in career mode ... just that he sunk 5 of em ...

But then what do I know?

[tater]

Doesn't matter. ALL missions in SH4 pull from the campaign layers. If you make a Midway mission as a single mission, for example, it will superimpose on top of the standing mission in the campaign.

BTW, you can play any single mission, then steam for a base "refit" (should be refuel/rearm") and keep hunting forvever.

[Beery]

Originally Posted by LobsterBoy

If you're going to work on the random appearance of ships, don't forget the US as well. I left Pearl on a patrol and saw a US task force with 2 New Mexico and 2 North Carolina battleships (with escorts, no carriers).

On Dec. 17th 1941 !!!!!!

It seemed they were on their way to the Marshalls.

What are the most important ships to check dates in service for? Just battleships? Battleships & carriers? Cruisers? What ship types will be immediately obviously wrong to the player who knows his stuff? I'd like to fix some of these issues but I'm trying to keep RFB as compact as possible so I really don't want to have to address the entire fleets of all nations.