sh3 into sh4?

[joea]

Originally Posted by Uber Gruber

Sorry El Duci old chap but I have to strongly disagree with you here - especially the "bordelines on bigotry" bit. I'll be honest up front and say that I have little to no interest in the Pacific War and never have had. I do not see America's war with Japan in the same way I see the war in Europe. In fact I personaly think the Pacific War was more of a side show in comparison, speaking purely geopolitically.

But my views on the above are irrelevent to the real reason why I disagree with you. SH4 is a game, regardless what the manual says. War isn't a game, far from it. So to see SH4 as some form of iconic effigy for the Pacific War is quite worrying, and is detrimental to the sacrifices made by all sides during the war.

SH4 is simply a game, why not mod it for the Atlantic ? Why not mod it for WWI as well while we're at it ? Its just a game, its essentially just a graphics engine with some parameteres in flat files...its nothing more.

Why not mod it indeed, still I hope the Pacific side of it gets the right treatment the Atlantic has. I agree about war and games.

Don't agree the Pacific was a sideshow..well yes and no. Of course "Germany First" and all that... First of all and I keep repeating this and repeating this, it was not just a war between the USA and Japan. Forgot the ANZACS or the Brits and other Commonwealth in S.E. Asia? Forgot how many millions of people in China (WWII was abig factor in China becoming Communist) Korea, the Phillipines etc. and the end of the old colonial empires. The game focuses only on US vs. Japan but the theatre is much more. If someone is more interested in ETO cool but don't be so dismissive.

[bigboywooly]

Tis called freedom of choice Ducimus

Its not rot that ppl dont want to play as the US
Tis choice

No doubt there were many that didnt buy SH3 as didnt want to play as the Germans

What you have to remember that for those in Europe the uboat war is closer to home and heart
In as much in the PTO is closer to most Americans thoughts

Were those who made Pacific Aces disrespectfull to the ubootwaffe by wanting a PTO addon ?
No - they wanted to continue in the PTO from SH1 in an upgraded game engine
Everyone has different preferences

Easy to say the uboat war has been covered and it has
But with the new graphics\mission choices and all else in SH4 its perfectly natural for ppl to want to port the Atlantic war over to " update " SH3

As previously mentioned it can only help Ubi sales

Besides
Like all mods no one forces anyone to play them

[HunterICX]

Ducimes this is the same thing happend to SH3

People saying:
''we are not going to buy/play it because we do not want to control a NAZI submarine.''

you have to see both ways here

the only thing that turns people up of getting SH3 into SH4 are the graphics and the more options people can do with the game engine.
to add more things and ofcourse the challenge

the intent of people saying ''US navy sucks, US sub are not so good, the PTO is a back cover of a book story etc etc'' is NOT the reason why Modderators are going to convert SH3 into SH4. that people who said the things above are going to play it, well we cant say to them you cant because you insult the US navy.

Now the reason why moderators want to convert sh3 into sh4 are because they can, its a big challenge and just imagine what you can learn from it (Moderating stuff) and ofcourse giving the people a chance to play both Sides in 1 game.
now the good things about it are more people will buy SH4, the ones that are in love with the atlantic maybe give the U.S navy submarines a go and maybe they are going to like it? thats not bad is it.

another fun thing , in GWX we have the Gato sub as a AI, now imagine that beeing you controlling the Gato and meet german merchants and submarines...could be fun?

and another thing it makes the SH picture complete.
(still we are going to miss the UK Subs, Russian and the IJN subs that are playable)

wait, didnt the IJN had a Type VII?
thought the crew might look a bit german..(or if its posible to mod the faces of the characters too) you can have the IJN side as a type VII

[danlisa]

This is getting as bad as the SH4 made me impotent threads.

Really, FFS, do we need to discuss this topic anymore? I'm affraid at the end of the day the modders will do what they want to do, who are we to deny them that? Of course there will be contiued calls for a merging of the two games but who is too say which is the best way to go?

I really do respect both sides of this argument/discussion and understand that there are deep feelings regarding both theaters. Maybe people should also consider the way topics like these are approached, that way peoples beliefs are not offended.

There is one point which I must agree with Ducimus on. This world would be a totally different place if America did not conduct a war on both fronts and I think if anyone can prove differently then there will be no arguments here. So what if the American Subs are not to you liking, they put them to good use & there is a need for a sim to depict this. Play the game or don't play the game, no one is forcing you.

Now, as to the question of a merged sim. Why not. Everyone benefits. However, we can't just say no or I don't think it's a good idea etc etc. Why stifle creativity? There is no reason why both theaters can't be under the same roof, in fact there is nothing but the game's code in our way.

[SilentOtto]

...is that I would love to see the atlantic and the u-boote ported to SH4. Why? Because that's what I like, and what I'm interested in. Because I have some 15 submarine books, and only one is about american subs. Because I have played maybe 8 sub sim games, and only SHI was about american subs. Do I hate americans? (well maybe :P) Of course not, it is just that I am interested in another part of history.

And to you mr. Ducimus, I respect your beliefs and personal tastes, but please do not try to impose them onto the rest of us. You are talking about "People don't want to play pacific theater", "people this", "people that". Are you against all people who disagree with you? We are all individuals, and you are getting into the personal terrains, and that, as someone already pointed, would only poison the well we all drink from.

I have my personal opinion about american pacific sub war, but I would not tell you what you have to do, so please don't tell us what we have to do.

Bottom line: It seems that many of us around here would love to have a refurbished atlantic action sub sim, yes even now that sh4 is just hot from the oven. And it seems that you don't like that. Well I am sorry but you should learn to live with it.

(And btw, I find it very poisoning that you seed here talking about anti-americanism...
please don't get us started on that, it is totally off-topic, can be harmful for our community, and we are talking about historic personal tastes here, not about right and wrong. Or do you think that all we atlantic theater lovers are nazis??? I hope not!!)

Al very good Danlisa, at least up untill:

This world would be a totally different place if America did not conduct a war on both fronts and I think if anyone can prove differently then there will be no arguments here.

If I was on my other hobby horse right now i'd say something along the lines of ETO outcome had already been decided by Battle of Britain (maintaining air superiority thus scuppering Axis invasion plans) and Russian Sacrifices (forced) on the Eastern Front. America's "official" involvement only helped reduce the timescale of the outcome. However, America's lend-lease involvment certainly helped Britain stave off defeat, albeit at a very expensive price which we only "officially" finished paying for a few years back. Yep, if I was on that horse I would not be convinced by your statement.

But i'm not on that horse, i'm on this one over here.....

[U-Bones]

It always bothered me a little playing the Nazi side, and the Pacific was my first love, so I have zero interest in returning to the Atlantic.

But if I ever do get a hankering, I still have GWX loaded What a sweet MOD !

[clayton]

I agree. Hence two seperate boards!

Everyone get it? We have our side of the playground and you have yours! LOL

[Dowly]

@Clayton

WE GOT YOUR POINT ALREADY FFS! IF SOMEONE WANTS TO HAVE THE SH4 CONVERSED TO ATLANTIC, IT'S HIS CALL. NOT YOURS. NOBODY FORCES YOU TO USE IT!

[thyro]

Originally Posted by rizZO_77

Wouldt it be nice to have a campaign that handles the atlantic theatre in sh4?

Yeah... Atlantic camp and extended please!!!

Beside few German subs also operated in Pacific and Indian oceans

But also.... why not JP subs camp tooo??? and make available the biggest sub of WW2 (the one that carried seaplanes... japonese of course).

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by thyro

Yeah... Atlantic camp and extended please!!!

Beside few German subs also operated in Pacific and Indian oceans

But also.... why not JP subs camp tooo??? and make available the biggest jp sub that carried seaplanes.

Now that´s something I´d like to see in SHIV.

[Alex]

What happened to you mate, this avatar and "in the brig" ?

[clayton]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Now that´s something I´d like to see in SHIV.

Flame on!

See, doesn't it feel good to have the freedom to be able to express your point!
You SH3 guys are all the same; Your quick to stomp on anyone voicing any negitive opinion on Uboats and the Atlantic and quick to praise it in the same vein!

How's that for freedom of speech?

[Alex]

Originally Posted by clayton

You SH3 guys are all the same; Your quick to stomp on anyone voicing any negitive opinion on Uboats and the Atlantic and quick to praise it in the same vein!

How's that for freedom of speech?

Personnally I don't care about your negative opinion. Just let us say we want an atlantic campaign for SH4, and that's all.

Thanks !

[clayton]

I wouldn't be so damn negative if I didn't see post like this everytime I check for new mods! Again, my right!