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Cakewalk · 04-03-07, 07:15 PM

Hell yeah. SH4 is literally taking up all my free time.

ReallyDedPoet · 04-03-07, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=110259

All the things they did right

. It is a good thread for what is great in the game.

Thumbs up to that one

AVGWarhawk · 04-03-07, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=110259

All the things they did right

. It is a good thread for what is great in the game.

Thumbs up to that one

Yeah man...it was time for that thread.

TheSatyr · 04-03-07, 10:14 PM

Unfortunately,I had to quit playing SH4. But only because of the shortcomings of my system. Need a new power supply and a new video card...but don't want to put out the money on a near dead pc...*lol*

From what little playing I did,I think In a year from now vanilla SH4(with all the future patches) will be regarded as a classic. The mods will make it into a monster.

(And by then we will have whole new threads about how DC2 or SH5 is a total piece of garbage...blah blah blah.).

Grothesj2 · 04-03-07, 11:56 PM

I had to upgrade my system with a new power supply and vid card. I dont regret spending the $300+ on it. SHIV plays very well now and I am having a great time with it. Yes there are bugs and issues but SHIII was worse for bugs and unplayability when it launched IMO.

TheSatyr · 04-04-07, 03:09 AM

Well,my pc is about 3 1/2 years old and showing it's age. I'm going to wait till I can get a shiny new pc before messing with games like SH4 and Neverwinter Nights 2 again...but I'm patient and I know the wait will be worth it.

ReallyDedPoet · 04-04-07, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSatyr

...but I'm patient and I know the wait will be worth it.

Yes it will be, by the time you get a new computer I am sure there will be some more great mods and hopefully the thing will be patched up

Mush Martin · 04-04-07, 06:48 AM

Frankly I love the game but am still torn between two worlds..........

I am not done with 3 and I have only just begun with 4

its is going to be a long decade

MM

ReallyDedPoet · 04-04-07, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mush Martin

Frankly I love the game but am still torn between two worlds..........

I am not done with 3 and I have only just begun with 4

its is going to be a long decade

MM

I am there too Mush, I plan to have GWX and SH4 on my computer for awhile,
years probably

Last night I installed the patch, didn't re-boot

, had some major stuttering, let out a couple of real " wtfs ", then realized my mistake

Re-booted and all was good

ahhhh....patience.

RDP

Nell Quick · 04-04-07, 08:28 AM

For myself, I've experienced one or two of the bugs mentioned - only yesterday my patrol came to an abrupt end when I tried to level out after a dive. But in general it's been pretty smooth sailing with SH4. My system certainly struggles with it, and if I'm considering going back to SH3 for the moment that'll be the reason why.

SH4 has its bugs, certainly. But most games do when they're new. And of course we could argue that it shouldn't be that way; that games should be held back until they're found to be in perfect working order. Of course that's impractical in this money-driven corporate world. But as someone mentioned in a thread elsewhere, I always imagine how frustrated the actual developers must feel when they're forced by grasping publishers to release a game they haven't tested enough and know has flaws (First Encounters, anyone?).

The fact is that the developers have toiled long and hard over this game, and I for one think they should be given credit for that. They've done a magnificent job, and they've done it so that we, the boat-simming public, can enjoy an accurate re-creation of World War II submarine warfare for our entertainment and education. I firmly believe that every developer would want to release a perfect game to the market. Practical concerns mean they can't possibly do that: because every project can always be improved, any release date would be too early for them. So we, the consumer, either get flawed releases which then have to be patched repeatedly by devs or the community; or we never get to see the game at all, as in the case of Elite IV, because the developers decide to hold onto it until it's perfect, which it'll never be. Then of course there's the simple fact that the PC is a sod of a platform to develop for, because there isn't a single specification as there is with the 'toy' consoles: console games simply don't need the complex resilience built in that PC titles have to have, and which must take up a hefty proportion of development time.

But it seems as a community - and I know that in Britain at least this extends to many areas of life, if not all, and not just computer games - it takes us a New York minute to start whinging about something, and letters of complaint fly like confetti if something isn't perfect; but we're very slow and very grudging to extend praise. I put it down to the 'I know my rights' mentality that's become so prevalent, where we seem to think that freedom and democracy mean "I have the right to have everything I want the moment I want it, and anyone telling me I can't is a terrorist".

Sorry. I don't mean to start a political tirade here. But it does make me angry that there's such a disparity between our eagerness to jump on the negatives and our reluctance to acknowledge the positives. And yes, I know that's a complaint. Ironic, isn't it?

I for one would love to see this situation reversed. Yes, there are faults with SH4, and with lots of other things. And yes, those faults should be reported - I'm not advocating a passive community that simply takes what it's given without comment, or with unreserved praise whether the product is bugged or not. And sometimes there are pieces of software (be they games or more serious apps) that really should never have seen the light of day. I know: I work on one in my office. But I'd really like to see some people taking a moment or two to think about what's involved in a project like this; to offer credit where it's due; to appreciate the work that's put in and the difficulties that developers face; and to be willing to see a flawed product as something other than a personal affront. Yes, games cost money, and yes, for your buck you should expect a working product - but the fact is we have a working product. If you're playing SH4 then I'm betting in more cases than not you're a long-time gamer. If that's true, then you should hopefully agree that the $50 (or local equivalent) that you forked out for SH4 wasn't a straight-out purchase of a sealed end product: it was an investment in something that hopefully is going to improve over time, just as SH3 did. After all, the price tag on SH3 when I bought it was £20. It's now almost a completely different game than it was, what with dev patches and community mods, and it still only cost me £20.

I'm going to stop ranting shortly. I'll just say in conclusion that, in general, people do what they do as best they can within the constraints of their own ability and their situation. Again, this applies as much to real-world life as it does to computer game development. I know that I work better when I think my efforts are appreciated; and I know that I'm less inclined to help someone who lays into me, calls me every name under the sun, and questions my parentage all because they're a bit upset that I haven't given them exactly what they want. I have to try to be professional, sure, but it's made a damn sight more difficult in the latter case. I don't think there're that many posts on here that go to those extremes - but there're a lot of people pouring a lot of negativity onto these boards, and I can't help but feel that the developers might be more encouraged to work harder for us, and to go on to produce more games for us, if they were offered a little more positive feedback - or at least if we could be a little less irate about the problems we bring to their attention.

Right, flame away...

ReallyDedPoet · 04-04-07, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nell Quick

My system certainly struggles with it, and if I'm considering going back to SH3 for the moment that'll be the reason why.

Hopefully you can getan upgrade soon, I have a new build, so it is nice to have the experience of SH4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nell Quick

The fact is that the developers have toiled long and hard over this game, and I for one think they should be given credit for that.

Sorry. I don't mean to start a political tirade here. But it does make me angry that there's such a disparity between our eagerness to jump on the negatives and our reluctance to acknowledge the positives. And yes, I know that's a complaint. Ironic, isn't it?

Both good, 10 positives are brought down by 1 negative, a sad but true part of human nature

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nell Quick

I'll just say in conclusion that, in general, people do what they do as best they can within the constraints of their own ability and their situation. Again, this applies as much to real-world life as it does to computer game development. I know that I work better when I think my efforts are appreciated; and I know that I'm less inclined to help someone who lays into me, calls me every name under the sun, and questions my parentage all because they're a bit upset that I haven't given them exactly what they want. I have to try to be professional, sure, but it's made a damn sight more difficult in the latter case. I don't think there're that many posts on here that go to those extremes - but there're a lot of people pouring a lot of negativity onto these boards, and I can't help but feel that the developers might be more encouraged to work harder for us, and to go on to produce more games for us, if they were offered a little more positive feedback - or at least if we could be a little less irate about the problems we bring to their attention.

Right, flame away...

Well said. Like your part as well about PCs being a difficult platform to build for. There is so much varied hardware that I am sure it must be hell to try to make a game that meets or is compliant with the various systems.

Good post, Rants can be positive as well. Nobody is turning a blind-eye to the current bugs issues with the game, I would not encourage that either, but people need to chill a bit and enjoy this sim for what it currently is and will be, a rocking, damn-fine sub-sim

RDP

StandingCow · 04-04-07, 08:52 AM

I agree the game is enjoyable, but some of the bugs have been bad enough to cause me to wait on the patch before I play again... I just don't want to ruin the fun by getting annoyed at the game.

I love the game, too much to not wait.

ReallyDedPoet · 04-04-07, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StandingCow

I agree the game is enjoyable, but some of the bugs have been bad enough to cause me to wait on the patch before I play again... I just don't want to ruin the fun by getting annoyed at the game.

I love the game, too much to not wait.

I am using the time to enjoy it for what it is, getting used to the differences from SH3 ( which took awhile ) plus experimenting with some of the mods that
are being put out

Bilge_Rat · 04-04-07, 12:09 PM

I had been looking forward to SH4 for a long time since I had good memories of SH1 and I have always been a PTO fanboy, but when I first saw all the negative posts, I seriously thought of not buying the game.

So far however, I am very happy, I have noticed a lot of improvements over SH3, both graphically and under the hood. The devs have done their homework, all the important stuff is in. Sure there are a few bugs and historical errors, but I'm certain the devs/modders will fix that, after all Sh3 was more or less in the same state just after release.

The game is stable, works well and I'm having fun, what else matters.

ReallyDedPoet · 04-04-07, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

I had been looking forward to SH4 for a long time since I had good memories of SH1 and I have always been a PTO fanboy, but when I first saw all the negative posts, I seriously thought of not buying the game.

So far however, I am very happy, I have noticed a lot of improvements over SH3, both graphically and under the hood. The devs have done their homework, all the important stuff is in. Sure there are a few bugs and historical errors, but I'm certain the devs/modders will fix that, after all Sh3 was more or less in the same state just after release.

The game is stable, works well and I'm having fun, what else matters.

Nice perspective, people were and are to quick to jump all over it

04-03-07, 07:15 PM	#31
Cakewalk Engineer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 212 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Hell yeah. SH4 is literally taking up all my free time. __________________ Its not a bug... its a feature!

04-04-07, 06:48 AM	#38
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Frankly I love the game but am still torn between two worlds.......... I am not done with 3 and I have only just begun with 4 its is going to be a long decade MM __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

04-04-07, 08:52 AM	#42
StandingCow Weps Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 355 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	I agree the game is enjoyable, but some of the bugs have been bad enough to cause me to wait on the patch before I play again... I just don't want to ruin the fun by getting annoyed at the game. I love the game, too much to not wait. __________________

04-03-07, 10:14 PM	#34
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Unfortunately,I had to quit playing SH4. But only because of the shortcomings of my system. Need a new power supply and a new video card...but don't want to put out the money on a near dead pc...lol From what little playing I did,I think In a year from now vanilla SH4(with all the future patches) will be regarded as a classic. The mods will make it into a monster. (And by then we will have whole new threads about how DC2 or SH5 is a total piece of garbage...blah blah blah.).

04-03-07, 11:56 PM	#35
Grothesj2 Medic Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 167 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I had to upgrade my system with a new power supply and vid card. I dont regret spending the $300+ on it. SHIV plays very well now and I am having a great time with it. Yes there are bugs and issues but SHIII was worse for bugs and unplayability when it launched IMO.

04-04-07, 03:09 AM	#36
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well,my pc is about 3 1/2 years old and showing it's age. I'm going to wait till I can get a shiny new pc before messing with games like SH4 and Neverwinter Nights 2 again...but I'm patient and I know the wait will be worth it.

04-04-07, 08:28 AM	#40
Nell Quick Watch Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 30 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	For myself, I've experienced one or two of the bugs mentioned - only yesterday my patrol came to an abrupt end when I tried to level out after a dive. But in general it's been pretty smooth sailing with SH4. My system certainly struggles with it, and if I'm considering going back to SH3 for the moment that'll be the reason why. SH4 has its bugs, certainly. But most games do when they're new. And of course we could argue that it shouldn't be that way; that games should be held back until they're found to be in perfect working order. Of course that's impractical in this money-driven corporate world. But as someone mentioned in a thread elsewhere, I always imagine how frustrated the actual developers must feel when they're forced by grasping publishers to release a game they haven't tested enough and know has flaws (First Encounters, anyone?). The fact is that the developers have toiled long and hard over this game, and I for one think they should be given credit for that. They've done a magnificent job, and they've done it so that we, the boat-simming public, can enjoy an accurate re-creation of World War II submarine warfare for our entertainment and education. I firmly believe that every developer would want to release a perfect game to the market. Practical concerns mean they can't possibly do that: because every project can always be improved, any release date would be too early for them. So we, the consumer, either get flawed releases which then have to be patched repeatedly by devs or the community; or we never get to see the game at all, as in the case of Elite IV, because the developers decide to hold onto it until it's perfect, which it'll never be. Then of course there's the simple fact that the PC is a sod of a platform to develop for, because there isn't a single specification as there is with the 'toy' consoles: console games simply don't need the complex resilience built in that PC titles have to have, and which must take up a hefty proportion of development time. But it seems as a community - and I know that in Britain at least this extends to many areas of life, if not all, and not just computer games - it takes us a New York minute to start whinging about something, and letters of complaint fly like confetti if something isn't perfect; but we're very slow and very grudging to extend praise. I put it down to the 'I know my rights' mentality that's become so prevalent, where we seem to think that freedom and democracy mean "I have the right to have everything I want the moment I want it, and anyone telling me I can't is a terrorist". Sorry. I don't mean to start a political tirade here. But it does make me angry that there's such a disparity between our eagerness to jump on the negatives and our reluctance to acknowledge the positives. And yes, I know that's a complaint. Ironic, isn't it? I for one would love to see this situation reversed. Yes, there are faults with SH4, and with lots of other things. And yes, those faults should be reported - I'm not advocating a passive community that simply takes what it's given without comment, or with unreserved praise whether the product is bugged or not. And sometimes there are pieces of software (be they games or more serious apps) that really should never have seen the light of day. I know: I work on one in my office. But I'd really like to see some people taking a moment or two to think about what's involved in a project like this; to offer credit where it's due; to appreciate the work that's put in and the difficulties that developers face; and to be willing to see a flawed product as something other than a personal affront. Yes, games cost money, and yes, for your buck you should expect a working product - but the fact is we have a working product. If you're playing SH4 then I'm betting in more cases than not you're a long-time gamer. If that's true, then you should hopefully agree that the $50 (or local equivalent) that you forked out for SH4 wasn't a straight-out purchase of a sealed end product: it was an investment in something that hopefully is going to improve over time, just as SH3 did. After all, the price tag on SH3 when I bought it was £20. It's now almost a completely different game than it was, what with dev patches and community mods, and it still only cost me £20. I'm going to stop ranting shortly. I'll just say in conclusion that, in general, people do what they do as best they can within the constraints of their own ability and their situation. Again, this applies as much to real-world life as it does to computer game development. I know that I work better when I think my efforts are appreciated; and I know that I'm less inclined to help someone who lays into me, calls me every name under the sun, and questions my parentage all because they're a bit upset that I haven't given them exactly what they want. I have to try to be professional, sure, but it's made a damn sight more difficult in the latter case. I don't think there're that many posts on here that go to those extremes - but there're a lot of people pouring a lot of negativity onto these boards, and I can't help but feel that the developers might be more encouraged to work harder for us, and to go on to produce more games for us, if they were offered a little more positive feedback - or at least if we could be a little less irate about the problems we bring to their attention. Right, flame away...

04-04-07, 12:09 PM	#44
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	I had been looking forward to SH4 for a long time since I had good memories of SH1 and I have always been a PTO fanboy, but when I first saw all the negative posts, I seriously thought of not buying the game. So far however, I am very happy, I have noticed a lot of improvements over SH3, both graphically and under the hood. The devs have done their homework, all the important stuff is in. Sure there are a few bugs and historical errors, but I'm certain the devs/modders will fix that, after all Sh3 was more or less in the same state just after release. The game is stable, works well and I'm having fun, what else matters.