Anyone have the text to the poem in the opening movie?

Seaweed · 03-30-07, 02:32 AM

SOunds like shakespeare. Anyone know what its from?

Sh!tler · 03-30-07, 02:37 AM

Unfortunately the video and audio in the opening cinematic is such low quality, its practically impossible to hear everything the guy is saying.

deamyont · 03-30-07, 02:42 AM

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~milton/rea...me/index.shtml

Here it is

Seaweed · 03-30-07, 02:51 AM

What are the dev's trying to say by choosing that poem?

DeepCore · 03-30-07, 03:45 AM

I'm not sure what they want to say with the intro but I can say that I like it! It's refreshingly diffferent from the usual dumb effect-hammer-hero-super-action-intro.

Deepcore

Tarnish_UK · 03-30-07, 03:48 AM

Pah! I got sidetracked and then beaten to it!

"On Time"

by John Milton 1608 to 1674

Fly envious time til thy run out thy race
Call on the lazy leaden-stepping hours
Whose speed is but the heavy plummets pace
And glut thyself with what thy womb devours
Which is more then what is false and vain
And merely mortal dross;
So little is our loss
So little is thy gain
For when as each thing bad thou hast entombed
And last of all, thy greedy self consumed,
Then long Enternity shall greet our bliss
With an individual kiss
And joy shall overtake us as a flood
When evertything that is sincerely good
And perfectly divine
With Truth, and Peace, and Love shall ever shine
About the supreme throne
Of him, t'whose happy making sight alone
When once our heaven'ly soul shall climb
Then all this earthly grossness quit
Attired with stars, we shall forever sit
Triumphing over Death, and Chance, and thee O' Time

Manbot_amo · 06-30-07, 04:03 AM

After long study of the poem I have come up with my own interpretation of the poem, hear me out:
Remember that the poet is talking to time itself, he starts of addressing time by saying “Fly envious time til thy run out thy race” the race may be the human race or the race which time is running, either way it shows the end of the world. He then continues to describe time as “lazy leaden-stepping hours” he also explains tat by ending the “race” man will lose little as time gains little. “So little is our loss,So little is thy gain”
He also explain that every thing mortal is "dross" or impure and in need of removal. (do remember tat the poet is a strong catholic, thus he is saying that humans and their creadtions are "dross")

He then says that as the end of the world, as time entombs all bad things and the greed of man is consumed “For when as each thing bad thou hast entombed
And last of all, thy greedy self consumed,” only happiness shall remain as we remain in heaven. For love and peace will be greatly greeted by man “Then long Enternity shall greet our bliss” (bliss meaning happiness) as joy overtakes us like a flood.

And as we stay in heaven, “About the supreme throne” and sit and wear stars “Attired with stars, we shall forever sit” (offcourse referring to heaven) we stand triumphant over death, chance and time itself!

In my opinion this poem is talking about our end, may it be natural or man made. However it does give a small hint tat it might be man made, as it refers to "greed self cosume" thus greed consuming us all. for when we are in Enternity, time itself is beaten and no longer needed, this is why time i described as "envious", for he envies the time we will no longer need him (remember in the poem time is personified, by giving it human characteristics.)

thus this can explain the adding of the poem in SH4.

Let me know

joea · 03-30-07, 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seaweed

What are the dev's trying to say by choosing that poem?

What so you think they are trying to say?

Hint: Read the links Milton talks about triumphing over time and death.

MadMike · 04-07-07, 04:12 PM

S-37's skipper Thomas Baskett used to quote Milton's "Lycidas" ("War in the Boats", Ruhe, 41) to impress the Aussie babes, so who knows...

Yours, Mike

Hitman · 04-07-07, 04:30 PM

IMO it's an attempt to highlight the nonsense of the war and how the only thing that can be highlighted on it is the individual valor actions, unconnected from the general war politics. Honour to those who have done inmortal actions, based on inmortal and really important matters (Sacrifice, honor, courage, idealism), while all the rest is just unimportant and will fade away with time. i.e. when time passes by, you no longer care about who started the war and why, but you tend to remember the sacrifice and courageous actions of those involved.

P.S. anyone who has read the Iliad by Homero has found in the book more references to how it started and why, or to how courageously the main actors involved acted?

melendir · 04-11-07, 02:30 PM

Also it could be just that, someone who had final say of the intro just liked the poem. :hmm:

You guys are right, it is definately different from usual hero stuff intros...
That reader guys voice is kinda creepy.
Gave me a bit uneasy twilight zone feeling

joea · 04-11-07, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitman

IMO it's an attempt to highlight the nonsense of the war and how the only thing that can be highlighted on it is the individual valor actions, unconnected from the general war politics. Honour to those who have done inmortal actions, based on inmortal and really important matters (Sacrifice, honor, courage, idealism), while all the rest is just unimportant and will fade away with time. i.e. when time passes by, you no longer care about who started the war and why, but you tend to remember the sacrifice and courageous actions of those involved.

P.S. anyone who has read the Iliad by Homero has found in the book more references to how it started and why, or to how courageously the main actors involved acted?

Don't agree but I see your point.

Capt. Shark Bait · 06-04-07, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joea

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seaweed

What are the dev's trying to say by choosing that poem?

What so you think they are trying to say?

Hint: Read the links Milton talks about triumphing over time and death.

or, the futility of trying to:hmm:

personally, i think it's the best game intro since Klingon Academy

GoldenRivet, very good:rotfl:

cohiba · 05-16-07, 09:26 AM

I think the opening video/poem are brilliant!!! It is done very well; from the voice over to the footage... I think you can get many different meanings from the poem itself, but I believe it highlights the bravery, but after time nobody remembers even that... the horror... the horror... the horror...

Jmack · 05-16-07, 10:18 AM

if you want to live forever ... do things in life that will remain in history ... that is the way to beat time and live forever ... triumph over death .

03-30-07, 02:32 AM	#1
Seaweed Watch Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 15 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Anyone have the text to the poem in the opening movie? SOunds like shakespeare. Anyone know what its from?

03-30-07, 02:51 AM	#4
Seaweed Watch Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 15 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What is the significance of Milton's poem 'On Time' to WWII? What are the dev's trying to say by choosing that poem?

03-30-07, 03:48 AM	#6
Tarnish_UK Watch Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Southampton, UK Posts: 28 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Pah! I got sidetracked and then beaten to it! "On Time" by John Milton 1608 to 1674 Fly envious time til thy run out thy race Call on the lazy leaden-stepping hours Whose speed is but the heavy plummets pace And glut thyself with what thy womb devours Which is more then what is false and vain And merely mortal dross; So little is our loss So little is thy gain For when as each thing bad thou hast entombed And last of all, thy greedy self consumed, Then long Enternity shall greet our bliss With an individual kiss And joy shall overtake us as a flood When evertything that is sincerely good And perfectly divine With Truth, and Peace, and Love shall ever shine About the supreme throne Of him, t'whose happy making sight alone When once our heaven'ly soul shall climb Then all this earthly grossness quit Attired with stars, we shall forever sit Triumphing over Death, and Chance, and thee O' Time Last edited by Tarnish_UK; 03-30-07 at 04:00 AM.

06-30-07, 04:03 AM	#7
Manbot_amo Swabbie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 10 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	hear me out After long study of the poem I have come up with my own interpretation of the poem, hear me out: Remember that the poet is talking to time itself, he starts of addressing time by saying “Fly envious time til thy run out thy race” the race may be the human race or the race which time is running, either way it shows the end of the world. He then continues to describe time as “lazy leaden-stepping hours” he also explains tat by ending the “race” man will lose little as time gains little. “So little is our loss,So little is thy gain” He also explain that every thing mortal is "dross" or impure and in need of removal. (do remember tat the poet is a strong catholic, thus he is saying that humans and their creadtions are "dross") He then says that as the end of the world, as time entombs all bad things and the greed of man is consumed “For when as each thing bad thou hast entombed And last of all, thy greedy self consumed,” only happiness shall remain as we remain in heaven. For love and peace will be greatly greeted by man “Then long Enternity shall greet our bliss” (bliss meaning happiness) as joy overtakes us like a flood. And as we stay in heaven, “About the supreme throne” and sit and wear stars “Attired with stars, we shall forever sit” (offcourse referring to heaven) we stand triumphant over death, chance and time itself! In my opinion this poem is talking about our end, may it be natural or man made. However it does give a small hint tat it might be man made, as it refers to "greed self cosume" thus greed consuming us all. for when we are in Enternity, time itself is beaten and no longer needed, this is why time i described as "envious", for he envies the time we will no longer need him (remember in the poem time is personified, by giving it human characteristics.) thus this can explain the adding of the poem in SH4. Let me know Last edited by Manbot_amo; 06-30-07 at 04:25 AM.

04-07-07, 04:30 PM	#10
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	IMO it's an attempt to highlight the nonsense of the war and how the only thing that can be highlighted on it is the individual valor actions, unconnected from the general war politics. Honour to those who have done inmortal actions, based on inmortal and really important matters (Sacrifice, honor, courage, idealism), while all the rest is just unimportant and will fade away with time. i.e. when time passes by, you no longer care about who started the war and why, but you tend to remember the sacrifice and courageous actions of those involved. P.S. anyone who has read the Iliad by Homero has found in the book more references to how it started and why, or to how courageously the main actors involved acted? __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

03-30-07, 02:37 AM	#2
Sh!tler Nub Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 4 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Unfortunately the video and audio in the opening cinematic is such low quality, its practically impossible to hear everything the guy is saying.

03-30-07, 02:42 AM	#3
deamyont Helmsman Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 102 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	http://www.dartmouth.edu/~milton/rea...me/index.shtml Here it is

03-30-07, 03:45 AM	#5
DeepCore Nub Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 2 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm not sure what they want to say with the intro but I can say that I like it! It's refreshingly diffferent from the usual dumb effect-hammer-hero-super-action-intro. Deepcore

04-07-07, 04:12 PM	#9
MadMike Watch Officer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 342 Downloads: 241 Uploads: 0	S-37's skipper Thomas Baskett used to quote Milton's "Lycidas" ("War in the Boats", Ruhe, 41) to impress the Aussie babes, so who knows... Yours, Mike

04-11-07, 02:30 PM	#11
melendir Machinist's Mate Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Oulu, Finland Posts: 129 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 0	Also it could be just that, someone who had final say of the intro just liked the poem. :hmm: You guys are right, it is definately different from usual hero stuff intros... That reader guys voice is kinda creepy. Gave me a bit uneasy twilight zone feeling __________________ ------------ - Melendir - ------------

05-16-07, 09:26 AM	#14
cohiba Nub Join Date: May 2007 Location: St. Lucia, West Indies Posts: 3 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think the opening video/poem are brilliant!!! It is done very well; from the voice over to the footage... I think you can get many different meanings from the poem itself, but I believe it highlights the bravery, but after time nobody remembers even that... the horror... the horror... the horror...

05-16-07, 10:18 AM	#15
Jmack Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 669 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	if you want to live forever ... do things in life that will remain in history ... that is the way to beat time and live forever ... triumph over death . __________________ "victim's ? ... arent we all ? "