Why do the poor have more free time?

03-12-07, 06:36 PM

If you think it's OK to redistribute income but repellent to redistribute leisure, you might want to ask yourself what—if anything—is the fundamental difference.

http://www.slate.com/id/2161309/nav/tap1/

Letum · 03-12-07, 07:04 PM

Well, here in the EU there are minimum amounts of holidays that employers must give and limits on the amount of hours employers can put people to work for so this is almost a non-issue.

03-12-07, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Letum

Well, here in the EU there are minimum amounts of holidays that employers must give and limits on the amount of hours employers can put people to work for so this is almost a non-issue.

Which is why your economies are always at the edge of disaster.

Letum · 03-12-07, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Letum

Well, here in the EU there are minimum amounts of holidays that employers must give and limits on the amount of hours employers can put people to work for so this is almost a non-issue.

Which is why your economies are always at the edge of disaster.

:rotfl: WHAT?

Seriously! Where do you come up with such ridicously broad statements like that!?

03-12-07, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Letum

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Originally Posted by waste gate

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Originally Posted by Letum

Well, here in the EU there are minimum amounts of holidays that employers must give and limits on the amount of hours employers can put people to work for so this is almost a non-issue.

Which is why your economies are always at the edge of disaster.

:rotfl: WHAT?

Seriously! Where do you come up with such ridicously broad statements like that!?

The 'European Union' is all about attempts to remain economically solvent. If your respective economies' were not in jeapordy why establish the Orwell 1984 block?

Haven't seen a headline like this coming from Europe.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=107132

Skybird · 03-12-07, 07:20 PM

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Haven't seen a headline like this coming from Europe.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=107132

Haven't considered some of the replies either.

Well, we know where this thread will lead to.
I'm out.

Tchocky · 03-12-07, 07:27 PM

*loud profanities*

Letum · 03-12-07, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

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Originally Posted by Letum

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Originally Posted by waste gate

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Originally Posted by Letum

Well, here in the EU there are minimum amounts of holidays that employers must give and limits on the amount of hours employers can put people to work for so this is almost a non-issue.

Which is why your economies are always at the edge of disaster.

:rotfl: WHAT?

Seriously! Where do you come up with such ridicously broad statements like that!?

The 'European Union' is all about attempts to remain economically solvent. If your respective economies' were not in jeapordy why establish the Orwell 1984 block?

Haven't seen a headline like this coming from Europe.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=107132

Your seriously nuts waste gate! Europe contains sevral of the worlds strongest enonomys.

Anyhow, I'm with SkyBird:
I'm out of this one!

Skybird · 03-12-07, 07:14 PM

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Which is why your economies are always at the edge of disaster.

The living of many American workers is as well.

BTW, Germany currently is booming, while Alan Greenspan warned some days ago that the Us is close to a recession.
And the US still is world record holder in financial debts and state deficits.

All the Western economies are living on tick.

CCIP · 03-12-07, 07:14 PM

I have a bad word ready to fly off my keyboard which I'd like to type but will not.

There are lazy poor people. Many lazy poor people. But never, NEVER, ever, make such @#%^#$@mn @#@#%^ed generalizations please. I take very personal offence at the generalized suggestion this thread makes, having grown up in a family that spent my entire lifetime and then some clawing their way out of poverty and still clawing away. And this is not a rare case. Likewise, I've seen far too many idle rich people to even begin to make an argument like that.

Skybird · 03-12-07, 07:16 PM

I told him the same like CCIP just days ago, but it seems WG was not interested to think over how many people he necessarily offend by such generalizations and cynically scratch off the list.

Fish · 03-15-07, 06:17 PM

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Well, here in the EU there are minimum amounts of holidays that employers must give and limits on the amount of hours employers can put people to work for so this is almost a non-issue.

Which is why your economies are always at the edge of disaster.

The Netherlands :

Economy - overview:

The Netherlands has a prosperous and open economy, which depends heavily on foreign trade. The economy is noted for stable industrial relations, moderate unemployment and inflation, a sizable current account surplus, and an important role as a European transportation hub. Industrial activity is predominantly in food processing, chemicals, petroleum refining, and electrical machinery. A highly mechanized agricultural sector employs no more than 2% of the labor force but provides large surpluses for the food-processing industry and for exports. The Netherlands, along with 11 of its EU partners, began circulating the euro currency on 1 January 2002. The country continues to be one of the leading European nations for attracting foreign direct investment. Economic growth slowed considerably in 2001-06, as part of the global economic slowdown, but for the four years before that, annual growth averaged nearly 4%, well above the EU average.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications.../print/nl.html

03-15-07, 06:35 PM

That is a nice description Fish. But the essence is in the numbers and compared to Samolia your nation is certainly an achiever.

The problem is that your economy being well above the EU average is holding you and your nation back. Another nation is pulling the average down and your nation as a consequence. The creation of the EU has pulled the Netherlands into that race for the bottom that is the hallmark of socialist societies.

GDP: $612.7 billion (2006 est.)
Debt: $1.899 trillion (30 June 2006)

Your county's debt is better than three times its income.

Letum · 03-15-07, 07:39 PM

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the EU average is holding you and your nation back. Another nation is pulling the average down and your nation as a consequence. The creation of the EU has pulled the Netherlands into that race for the bottom that is the hallmark of socialist societies.

Prove it.

There is no significant change since NL joined the EU when one looks at the graph of economic growth for that country.

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GDP: $612.7 billion (2006 est.)
Debt: $1.899 trillion (30 June 2006)

Your county's debt is better than three times its income.

More than a little out of context. Most economies have more debt than GDP.

Why, in your opinion, do you think most of Europe has joined the EU?
Do you believe that economists from 27 different countries have all made the same mistake?

bradclark1 · 03-13-07, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

If you think it's OK to redistribute income but repellent to redistribute leisure, you might want to ask yourself what—if anything—is the fundamental difference.

http://www.slate.com/id/2161309/nav/tap1/

Could it be something as simple as higher educated have better paying jobs but they are also salary and expected to work more. Hourly employees are hired for the 40 hours but the bottom line drives how many hours they put in. As an example a department store makes a good profit during Christmas so employees have 40 or more hours, but after Christmas business drops way off so hourly employees work hours are cut back as an attempt by the store to compensate.
It doesn't seem like rocket science to me.:hmm:

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CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I have a bad word ready to fly off my keyboard which I'd like to type but will not. There are lazy poor people. Many lazy poor people. But never, NEVER, ever, make such @#%^#$@mn @#@#%^ed generalizations please. I take very personal offence at the generalized suggestion this thread makes, having grown up in a family that spent my entire lifetime and then some clawing their way out of poverty and still clawing away. And this is not a rare case. Likewise, I've seen far too many idle rich people to even begin to make an argument like that. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,629 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I told him the same like CCIP just days ago, but it seems WG was not interested to think over how many people he necessarily offend by such generalizations and cynically scratch off the list. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 03-12-07 at 07:40 PM.

03-15-07, 06:35 PM	#13
waste gate Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	That is a nice description Fish. But the essence is in the numbers and compared to Samolia your nation is certainly an achiever. The problem is that your economy being well above the EU average is holding you and your nation back. Another nation is pulling the average down and your nation as a consequence. The creation of the EU has pulled the Netherlands into that race for the bottom that is the hallmark of socialist societies. GDP: $612.7 billion (2006 est.) Debt: $1.899 trillion (30 June 2006) Your county's debt is better than three times its income.