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Old 02-04-07, 03:35 PM   #31
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What did PT Barnum say?
Nothing for certain, that's for sure! :p
Well PT Barnum or not, who's the idiot? Those who takes everything they hear to be the unspeakeable truth or those who see it throug critical eyes?

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Old 02-04-07, 04:30 PM   #32
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Have some questions

1 If there has been "placed" explosive inside the two towers, when has this been done? if so, I presume it has been done after the intelligence had got evidence that an attack on WTC was on it's way

2 Why haven't we heard any critical voices, from the expert in constructing about this??

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I'd like to know how it was done too. Truckloads of demolition charges somehow planted in the WTC buildings, dozens of mysterious workers, going in and out of the building, night after night. Security at the building doesn't catch them, Port Authority Police don't catch them, random eyewitnesses who stumble across the operation and call the cops don't catch them, maintenance workers who stumble across wet paint and repaired walls and bits of strange wire don't catch them, security cameras don't catch them. Dogs brought in to sniff for bombs (a standard procedure after the 1993 attack) don't catch them. Sets the gold standard for covert ops I would think.
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I'd like to know how it was done too. Truckloads of demolition charges somehow planted in the WTC buildings, dozens of mysterious workers, going in and out of the building, night after night. Security at the building doesn't catch them, Port Authority Police don't catch them, random eyewitnesses who stumble across the operation and call the cops don't catch them, maintenance workers who stumble across wet paint and repaired walls and bits of strange wire don't catch them, security cameras don't catch them. Dogs brought in to sniff for bombs (a standard procedure after the 1993 attack) don't catch them. Sets the gold standard for covert ops I would think.
here's another question

HOW could both towers fall so "perfectly"? That is a question I have been asking my self several times.

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The buildings fell down the way gravity meant them too. But because it looks like the way a building comes down in a controlled demolition people are jumping to the conclusion it was one.....while still side-stepping the question of how two of the largest buildings in the world were rigged to blow without no one noticing or blowing the whistle.

The real trick is how to get all those explosives up there, wire up the building for demolition, and then have all your explosives and wiring go completely undamaged from the impact of the planes so you can successfully bring down the towers by demolition.

Getting the beams around the perimeter to visibly sag inwards on the floors impacted would be pretty impressive too.
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Old 02-04-07, 07:35 PM   #37
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has anyone ever seen the pictures of the pentagon attack on 9/11 ??
We have gone through this years ago. I give you one side with eyewitness about the plane crash in the Pentagon.

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm
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here's another question

HOW could both towers fall so "perfectly"? That is a question I have been asking my self several times.

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They only look perfect because it is seen from a long distance. When you look at something from far away you miss out on all the details. You also haven't exactly seen everything, the smoke covered a great part of what was happening. And there was nobody filming it from the top-down perspective.

This looks like anything but "perfect": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:World_Trade_Center_Site_After_9-11_Attacks_With_Original_Building_Locations.jpg;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:S...nd_Zero_02.jpg;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:S...er_17_2001.jpg;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WTC1.jpg

If you push a building to the side, it will collapse to the side. If you pull it, it will collapse sideways too. If you press it from the top it will collapse in itself straight down. This behavior can be reproduced at lab or at home if you had the patience to build a model. An example:

Have you looked at Earthquakes? There are buildings that collapse "perfectly" on top of the lowest floors. The 1st and 2nd floors of a 10 story building get completely crushed while the 3rd, 4th, 5th and above remain "perfectly" fine and the people can evacuate it normally through the stairs with only a few cracks here and there.

People made their own WTC towers in Pontifex and when you remove the pillars from the top floors the remaining structures break with the weight of the highest floors which in turn collapses on top of the lower floors in sequence untill it's all on the ground. If I, a simpleton without an engineering or physics degree, can simulate this behavior in a bridge building game, proving the abnormality of the behavior would be even easier for the experts with real computers and real models.

Of course, there is a small detail: everybody is on the CIA's payroll. Pontifex's creators and myself included. Mwahaha.
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Old 02-04-07, 07:49 PM   #39
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just read operation northwoods if you dont think the US is bad.
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now lets look at Building 7

Where Was Building 7?




Building 7 had a World Trade Center address but:
  • Was on different block from the other 6 WTC buildings.
  • Was of a different age and architecture than the WTC.
  • Was 300' from the nearest tower.
Building 7 was the only building outside the WTC complex to collapse.
Building 7 was farther from the Towers than the Banker's Trust Building.





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Wow, a real life conspiratroll. I suppose every forum has to have one.
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