Chavez to rule by decree

[elite_hunter_sh3]

i know who che was and i know wut his goals were. im jus pissed off that ur talking all this smack and not supporting it with evidence

[U-533]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

i know who che was and i know wut his goals were. im jus pissed off that ur talking all this smack and not supporting it with evidence

aah Duude ah... Dude your like starting to freak and ah Dude... Its not that bigga deal... soooo like chill Dude and loosen up yaahh

[elite_hunter_sh3]

#1 i dont do weed
#2 im in a baad mood today stupid internet kept crashing

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

i know who che was and i know wut his goals were. im jus pissed off that ur talking all this smack and not supporting it with evidence

Child of the world, grow up and learn:

Che Guevara: 39 Years of Idolatry
By Humberto Fontova
October 9, 2006

Thirty nine years ago last week, Ernesto "Che" Guevara got a major dose of his own medicine. Without trial he was declared a murderer, stood against a wall and shot. Historically speaking, justice has rarely been better served. If the saying, "what goes around comes around" ever fit, it's here. The number of men Che's "revolutionary tribunals" condemned to death in the identical manner range from 400 to 1,892. The number of defenseless men (and boys) Che personally murdered with his own pistol runs to the dozens. Imagine Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, and Son of Sam t-shirts on such as Johnny Depp and Prince Harry. Granted, these last three didn't match Che's murder tally.

"Executions?" Che Guevara exclaimed while addressing the hallowed halls of the UN General Assembly December 9, 1964. "Certainly, we execute! " he declared to the claps and cheers of that August body. "And we will continue executing (emphasis his) as long as it is necessary! This is a war to the DEATH against the Revolution's enemies!"

According to the Black Book of Communism those firing squad executions had reached around 10,000 by that time. Sloboban Milosevic, by the way, went on trial for allegedly ordering 8,000 executions. The charge against him by the same UN that deliriously applauded Che Guevara's proud proclamation was "genocide."

The "revolutions' enemies" being bound, gagged and murdered by Che and his henchmen were among the most enterprising and valiant fighters of the 20th century. These Cuban freedom-fighters ranked alongside the Polish Home Army and the Hungarian Freedom-Fighters. They fought just as valiantly, as desperately-- and ultimately--just as hopelessly. They fought to the last bullet and usually to the death.

Most heartbreaking of all, they fought alone and abandoned. They specialized in ripping off their gags and blindfolds to yell "VIVA CRISTO REY! or " VIVA CUBA LIBRE!" or "ABAJO COMUNISMO!"before the bullets shattered their bodies and the coup de grace from Che's henchman shattered their skulls.

The few survivors live in places like Miami and New Jersey today and qualify as the longest-suffering political prisoners in modern history. But you'll look for their stories on the History Channel, PBS, the New York Times, etc., in vain. They fought the Left's premier pin-up boys, you see. So their heroism doesn't qualify as Politically-Correct drama.

To be ignored would be bad enough. Instead, whenever acknowledged the media parrots the Castroite slander against them of "terrorists" and "mafiosi." It's a tribute to the MSM and academia's incurable obtuseness and imbecility that they still depict Castro/Che as the "plucky underdogs" against an aggressive colossus--when that collosus was in fact protecting Castro's regime, as pledged to Nikita Khrushchev by JFK in October 1962.

"I don't need proof to execute a man" snapped Che to a judicial underling in 1959. "I only need proof that it's necessary to execute him!"

Not that you'd surmise any of the above from the mainstream media or academia-- much less Hollywood. From the high priests of the Fourth Estate Che Guevara gets only accolades. Time magazine, for instance, honors Che Guevara among "The 100 Most Important People of the Century."

The man who declared, "a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate," (and set a spirited example,) who boasted that he executed from "revolutionary conviction" rather than from any "archaic bourgeois details" like judicial evidence, and who urged "atomic extermination" as the final solution for those American "hyenas," (and came hearth-thumpingly close with Nuclear missiles in October 1962) is hailed by Time--not just among the "most important" people of the Century--but in the "Heroes and Icons" section, alongside Anne Frank, Andrei Sakharov, and Rosa Parks.

"If the nuclear missiles had remained we would have used them against the very heart of America, including New York City," Che Guevara confided to the London Daily Worker in November of 1962. "We will march the path of victory even if it costs millions of atomic victims...We must keep our hatred alive and fan it to paroxysm." This was Che's prescription for America almost half a century before Osama Bin Laden, Mullah Omar, and Al-Zarqawi appeared on our radar screens.

But for the prudence of Nikita Khrushchev, Che Guevara's fondest wish would have made New York's 9/11 explosions appear like an errant cherry bomb. Yet listed alongside Che Guevara in Time's "Heroes and Icons of the Century," is Mother Theresa. From here the ironies only get richer.

The most popular version of Che t-shirt, for instance, sports the slogan "Fight Oppression" under his famous face. This is the face of a man who co-founded a regime that jailed more of it's subjects than Hitler or Stalin's and declared that "individualism must disappear!" In 1959, with the help of Soviet GRU agents, the man celebrated on that t-shirt helped found, train and indoctrinate Cuba's secret police. "Always interrogate your prisoners at night," Che ordered his goons. "A man's resistance is always lower at night." Today the world's largest Che mural adorns Cuba's Ministry of the Interior, the headquarters for Cuba's KGB and STASI trained secret police. Nothing could be more fitting.

Yet somehow, this same image is considered the height of hipness on everything from shirts, watches and snowboards, to thong underwear and an undisclosed location on Angelina Jolie's epidermis. Ms Jolie, by the way, recently won the UN's "Global Humanitarian Award" for her work with refugees.

Will someone please inform Angelina Jolie that her tattoo idol, with his firing squads and prison-camps, provoked one of the biggest refugee crises in the history of this hemisphere. On top of the 2 million who made it with only the clothes on their back, the Cuban Archives project, meticulously compiled and documented by scholars Maria Werlau and Dr Armando Lago, estimate that close to 80,000 Cubans have died of thirst and exposure, have drown, or have been ripped apart by sharks attempting to flee the handiwork of the man "Ms Global Humanitarian" honors by having him permanently emblazoned on her skin.

Yet prior to Fidel and Che's glorious reign, Cuba took in more immigrants (primarily from Europe) as a percentage of population than the U.S, and this includes the Ellis Island years. Prior to the glorious Cuban revolution people were as desperate to enter Cuba (especially from neighboring Haiti and Jamaica) as they are now to exit Cuba (at extreme risk to life and limb.) Perhaps Castro acolyte Charlie Rangel can explain this? Perhaps Jesse "Viva Fidel! Viva Che!" Jackson can explain it?

Not that ignorance, willful or otherwise, is exactly rare on the topic of Cuba or Che Guevara. When Carlos Santana and Eric Burdon, (among many other rockers) smugly sport their elegant Che t-shirts they plug a regime that in the mid to late 60's rounded up "roqueros" (Cuban rock & roll fans) and long hairs en masse, and herded them into prison camps for forced labor under a scorching sun. These young prisoners' "counter-revolutionary crimes" often involved nothing more than listening to music by The Animals and Santana.

When Madonna camped it up in her Che outfit for the cover of her American Life CD, she plugged a regime that criminalized homosexuals and anything smacking of gay mannerisms. In the mid 60's the crime of effeminate behavior got thousands of youths yanked off Cuba's streets and parks by secret police and dumped in prison camps with "Work Will Make Men Out of You" in bold letters above the gate (the one at Auschwitz' gate read: "Work Will Set You Free) and with machine gunners posted on the watchtowers. The initials for these camps were UMAP, not GULAG, but the conditions were identical.

"Iron" Mike Tyson used to end fights with his arms upraised in triumph. In 2002, he got a huge Che tattoo on his torso, visited Cuba, and has been consistently and horribly stomped in fight after fight ever since, a process perfectly mimicking the combat record of his tattoo idol. Che was indeed proficient at smiting his enemies, Mike, thousands of them--but only after they were bound, gagged, and blindfolded. Chances are nobody disclosed this to you in Cuba, much less in the mainstream media. But I'm afraid the World Boxing Association won't allow it anyway.

When the crowd of A-list hipsters and Beautiful People at the Sundance Film Festival (which included everyone from Tipper and Al Gore to Sharon Stone, Meryl Streep, and Paris Hilton) exploded in a rapturous standing ovation for Robert Redford's The Motorcycle Diaries, they were cheering a film glorifying a man who jailed or exiled most of Cuba's best writers, poets and independent film-makers while converting Cuba's press and cinema--at Czech machine-gun point-- into propaganda agencies for a Stalinist regime.

Executive producer of the movie, Robert Redford (who always kicks off the film festival with a long dirge about the importance of artistic freedom) was forced to screen the film for Che's widow (who heads Cuba's Che Guevara Studies Center) and Fidel Castro for their approval before release. We can only imagine the shrieks of outrage from the Sundance crowd--about "censorship!" and "selling out!"-- had, say, Robert Ackerman required (and acquiesced in) Nancy Reagan's approval to release HBO's The Reagans that same year.

Che groupies are many and varied. Christopher Hitchens, for instance marvels at Che's "untamable defiance" and assures us in the same New York Times article that "Che was no hypocrite."

The noted historian Benicio Del Toro, who will star as his hero in a Hollywood Biopic due next year, says: "Che was just one of those guys who walked the walk and talked the talk. There's just something cool about people like that. The more I get to know Che, the more I respect him."

More than his cruelty, megalomania or even his epic stupidity, what most distinguished Ernesto "Che" Guevara from his peers was his sniveling cowardice. His groupies can run off in a huff, slam their bedroom door, and dive headfirst into their beds sobbing and kicking and punching the pillows all they want-- but Che surrendered to the Bolivan Rangers voluntarily, from a safe distance, and was captured physically sound and with a fully loaded pistol.

One day before his death in Bolivia, Che Guevara--for the first time in his life--finally faced something properly describable as combat. So he ordered his guerrilla charges to give no quarter, to fight to their last breaths, and to their last bullet. A few hours later his "untamable defiance," lack of hypocrisy and "walking of the walk " all manifested themselves. With his men doing just what he ordered ( fighting and dying to the last bullet) a slightly wounded Che snuck away from the firefight and surrendered with a full clip in his pistol while whimpering to his captors: "Don't Shoot! I'm Che I'm worth more to you alive than dead!"

His Bolivian captors begged to differ.

All I can add in reference to this communist butcher is:

SPIT.

UPDATE: Viva Capitalism!

[The Avon Lady]

While we're close to the subject, let's not leave out Castro: Monster.

Spit.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

ok first of all how is tis real is this authentic u have evidence supporting these ridculous trash talk?

[CCIP]

I hate to sound aggressive, but fortunately bull***t rhetoric spans both sides of the political spectrum. Great stuff

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

ok first of all how is tis real is this authentic u have evidence supporting these ridculous trash talk?

Close your eyes. Maybe it will all go away. Poof.

Don't bother independently verifying the quotations yourself.

Don't bother learning what others refuse to teach you.

Sweet dreams.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

ok screw this thread nothing but a bunch of pro capitalists zionist americans and israelies DOESNT ANYONE NOTICE ALL THE BAD STUFF AMERICA AND ISRAEL DO TO OTHER COUNTRIES HERES A LIST

Yugoslavia
Palestine
Iraq
Egypt, Syria (during the wars)
Lebanon
soon to be Iran
Cuba
Venezuela
Vietnam

[The Avon Lady]

Surprise!

[August]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

ok screw this thread nothing but a bunch of pro capitalists zionist americans and israelies DOESNT ANYONE NOTICE ALL THE BAD STUFF AMERICA AND ISRAEL DO TO OTHER COUNTRIES HERES A LIST

Yugoslavia
Palestine
Iraq
Egypt, Syria (during the wars)
Lebanon
soon to be Iran
Cuba
Venezuela
Vietnam

Can't make a Kosher Yankee omlet without breaking a few bad eggs...

So which one of those countries are you from?

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by August

So which one of those countries are you from?

To quote his earlier rant:

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

obviously uve been brainwashed i have physical proof from family from random people from my country that i have asked in the 60's 70's and 80's yugoslavia was strong they had a stable economy and had a good government so dont go calling around people that believe in socialism moochers because socialists work for each other the only reason why people think socialism is bad because it was said by the americans that it was communism communism is the dictatorship form of socialism yugoslavia was democratic socialism why Josef Tito was a croatian leader he was the glue that held yugoslavia together he was so good he was elected over and over until he passed away may he rest in peace. serbs were never fond of croatian leaders but tito they admired him and respected him and would die for him if they ever had to, after he died in the late 80's everything started going downhill from there.

[Chaotic42]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

ok screw this thread nothing but a bunch of pro capitalists zionist americans and israelies DOESNT ANYONE NOTICE ALL THE BAD STUFF AMERICA AND ISRAEL DO TO OTHER COUNTRIES HERES A LIST

Yugoslavia
Palestine
Iraq
Egypt, Syria (during the wars)
Lebanon
soon to be Iran
Cuba
Venezuela
Vietnam

So you question Avon Lady's post, she tells you to look up the quotations yourself, and you throw a hissy-fit and try to paint everyone in a negative light.

What exact issues do you have with the material that AL posted?

[joea]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

the paramilitary were the ones responsible for the genocides in kosovo and bosnia they are the shame in our nation they were a bunch of frustrated units who thought they were doing something good but in fact were making things worse. the government was blamed for this even though they were trying to stop it. thats why i believe that CLinton or any clinton member is a idiot a BIG idiot, clinton didnt get his facts right and for that i hope he rots in hell if anyone here can even think of lecturing me on my familys history and my countries problems and history then u might as well cut ur internet cable.

I actually agree with some of what you say, anyway Yugoslavia was very different form other socialist countries (having some private economy for example) and I also was against the NATO intervention. But did you read my post? North Korea has nothing in common with the old Yugoslavia, nor with Venuzuela, nor with Cuba. Chavez has to be judged by rhe fact he has a lot of support from the majority of the population who again voted for his reforms. I do question some of his methods but again from his point of view he won't be able to changes what he wants without constant blocking by lobby groups.

[Schatten]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

ok screw this thread nothing but a bunch of pro capitalists zionist americans and israelies DOESNT ANYONE NOTICE ALL THE BAD STUFF AMERICA AND ISRAEL DO TO OTHER COUNTRIES HERES A LIST

Yugoslavia
Palestine
Iraq
Egypt, Syria (during the wars)
Lebanon
soon to be Iran
Cuba
Venezuela
Vietnam

Countries that Communism/Socialists did Really Bad Things in when they took power in:

Russia
Half of Germany
Albania
Bulgaria
Romania
Czechoslovakia
Yugoslavia
Hungary
North Korea
Vietnam
Cambodia
China
Laos
Nicaragua
El Salvador
Cuba

And last but not least...

Poland: The country that suffered the most (non-self-inflicted at least) throughout the 20th century in Europe. What Poland went through makes what Yugoslavia did look like a tea party, with cake.

Don't forget the communist takeover attempts in places like Angola, Greece, Spain, etc.

Say what you want about Democracies, and they do have flaws, but you won't see us rounding up millions of our own people and killing them or working them to death in forced labor camps. Pol Pot alone killed more of his own people than the United States' military killed in all of WWII. And while he has an "impressive" scorecard people like Stalin and Mao make him look minor league. The US couldn't touch Stalin's body count for all of our wars combined, and unlike him we were killing people that we were at war with, not our own people.

Now back to your list of places the US and Israelis did Bad Things To:

Yugoslavia: We, along with NATO, stopped factions from doing genocidal war on their neighbors when the country broke up. Yeah that's evil of us to have done.

Palestine: There isn't a Palestine anymore, there could still be one without a lot of the troubles for the past 59 years but the Palestinians wouldn't take the partition deal.

Iraq: Because it's evil to depose a guy that fills mass graves with his own people, was constantly invading his neighbors from the time he took power, and sent money to terrorist groups so they could kill more Westerners and Israelis. Yep shame on us.

Egypt, Syria (during the wars): Egypt and Syria attacked Israel, but even with their overwhelming numbers they still lost the Sinai, Golan and Gaza to the Israelis. Shame on the IDF for being more tactically competent than their enemies.

Lebanon: If there was a group firing rockets from inside a neighboring country at you, you'd want to stop them too.

soon to be Iran: If there's a war with Iran it'd be because Iran is picking the fight not us. And anyone who believes Iran needs nuclear power for peaceful means just needs to take a look at an oil and natural gas reserves map...

Cuba: The US did what exactly to Cuba? We weren't the ones going door to door in the middle of the night and pulling people out to be executed. That would have been the Communists. If you mean the Bay of Pigs then that was one of the most ill advised military interventions of the 20th Century, we either shouldn't have helped the Cubans try to take their country back or have supported them fully with the military, we tried to do the middle road and those generally don't work.

Venezuela: What have we done to Venezuela? You can't blame the US for Venezuela's internal problems or the fact that a nutjob now looks to be their new leader for life. May it be a short one.

Vietnam: In Vietnam the US was acting to protect the sovereignty of the Republic of Vietnam, an ally. In case you didn't notice we never invaded North Vietnam, maybe we should have, but that was a purely defensive war to confront attacks against the RVN's government by Communists through both VC terrorism and then later through direct attacks by the North Vietnamese Army. Yes we bombed the North, people tend to do that to enemy countries.

As far as Che goes, he was a coward, a horrible military commander, and a sadistic excecutioner; in short your typical terrorist, but he had a good PR machine. Something that went into even higher gear after his death, the fact that he's popular with certain Hollywood types should surprise no one since most of those people have about as much grip on reality as a dyslexic ground sloth...although that's sort of putting down the ground sloths of the world.

I also find it ironic that the bulk of people who lived in socialist countries, and have nothing but nice things to say about them...don't live in them anymore. They live elsewhere in the West where they can have the full advantages of our decadent, evil, capitalistic and democratic institutions.