Radicals vs. moderates: British Muslims at crossroads

[Skybird]

I love freedom, Human Rights and democracy, so I don't want to live in a country where on the basis of their religion (Islam) a part of the population is outcasted and/or deported.

That is heartwarming. But you are confronted with an ideology that does not share your attitude, and favours it's own scriptures thatz find your arguments disgusting, and weak.

there are people who argue that a democracy shall also embrace those who wants to destroy it, for leaving them out would not be democratic anymore. That is an idiotic splitting of hairs. Thankfully, the founding fathers of the German constitution have seen it like me. They gave every German the right to resist anybody who wants to overcome the constitutional order of Germany, and even to use force in that process, if necessary. Article 20, paragraph 4, Grundgesetz.: " Gegen jeden, der es unternimmt, diese (verfassungsmäßige) Ordnung zu beseitigen, haben alle Deutschen das Recht zum Widerstand, wenn andere Abhilfe nicht möglich ist." That is reasonable enough a formulation for me.

Extreme Muslims call for a jihad against The West, so let's call for a dahij against The Muslims and start a nice little civil war in Europe.
Probably the US will have to invade Europe to restore order...

Europe maybe headed in that direction 'civil war in Europe' without realizing it.
Islam has a long history of taking by force of arms what it cannot gain through political or social means.

As far as the US comming to your rescue.....don't count on the US saving your bacon. Many will remember the support which has been provided by 'old Europe' in the not too distant past.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by waste gate

As far as the US comming to your rescue.....don't count on the US saving your bacon. Many will remember the support which has been provided by 'old Europe' in the not too distant past.

If it came to that then the U.S. would have no choice but to come to Europe's defense because it would also have started here too.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

If it came to that then the U.S. would have no choice but to come to Europe's defense because it would also have started here too.

It has already begun.

"Philistines upon you, Samson!" -Delila to Samson, Book of Judges, 16:20

[Abraham]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Thank you, Skybird.

Is thanking Skybird for his reply to me funny?

You know better; Islam is a religion. May be a weird one, but that's not the point.
I cannot believe my eyes seeing people state it is not a religion.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Abraham

I cannot believe my eyes seeing people state it is not a religion.

And more distortion of reality, in order to make it fit your agenda. I did not say such a simplification. I said this:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Islam is NOT a religion, like others. It is a religionpoliticalsystemsocialtotalitarianism. It is not just a religion.

But the difference probably intentionally escapes your awareness, no matter what I say. "If reality does not match your needs - create your own." (old politician's advice)