Britain's frantic rush towards a fully fledged surveillance society

STEED · 11-20-06, 05:43 AM

Why are people in England want the ID card I ask? These people are willing to give up there freedom for security, which is better known as slavery. Yes as soon as I get my ID card and the RFID I will be safe, what a lode of rubbish that thinking will bring about the end of democracy and freedom.

As far as I am concerned the present Labour Government under the leadership of Tony Blair has crossed the line, the police can arrest you for anything and Tony Blair believes he has the right to force us to carry the ID Card. I here five centres are ready to take your info and more are on the way. I will never carry the ID card; I reject the database state and its Big Brother 1984.

Surveillance is really getting under my skin

Reject the database state.

KevinB · 11-20-06, 06:19 AM

Ditto STEED I will never carry an ID card. I would rather go to prison along with thousands of others who will repel this repressive regime.
The other thing that worries me about the under the skin implants that can track is is I have heard of parent in the USA lining up to have their children microchipped.

Ever heard of Gary McKinnon? He hacked into the (I think NSA database) and saw pictures of UFOs and other things not of this earth. Learning this from a hacker's handbook as well.

The spooks also use ECHELON and PROMIS to read our emails and listen to our conversations. No doubt they even read this forum!

kiwi_2005 · 11-20-06, 06:45 AM

ID card? oh thats what your sig is about

Is this card compulsory or can you choose to have it or not?

Im asking cause if it happens in your country no doubt we will follow we seem to copy what you brits do. All i know is their be alot of blackmarket cards coming out if it happend here.

The Noob · 11-20-06, 06:51 AM

I say no to id card and i say no to microchips. If they want to force this on my, they can royally suck my @&$%/§!

We need another Revolution.

The Avon Lady · 11-20-06, 07:01 AM

I have no problems with an ID card. In Israel, everyone carries them. No problem. I think the phobia against them is just that - a phobia.

RFID chips that can be used for tracking are a definite no-no, however.

STEED · 11-20-06, 07:10 AM

Tony Blair is lying to all of us, there are no benefits too the ID card what so ever, this card will take us one step nearer too slavery. You only got too look around you now the police have the power too arrest you without question, spy cameras are all over the place and the Government is slowly taking your freedom away from you. And all this is done in the name of democracy!

Sorry no, this is the act of an government that has crossed the line. Have they forgotten they work for us we are the one's who voted them in. What gives them the right to change the rules? Anyone caught shouting out “we are living in a police state” outside the House of Commons is soon arrested, so much for freedom of speech.

The ID card is a form of control and that control is your information which will be stored on a database which will mark the end of your privacy and freedom. And don't forget the cost of this card which you will have too paid for.

Why any of us should be forced to give the state information about ourselves? This information will be stored onto a National Identity Register resulting in the creation of a National Identity Register Number for all of us.

This database will not be secure due too the fact some 400,000 civil servants won there case in the high court this year to view personnel details about you and I.

The whole system is open to abuse by the very people we vote for. I believe in freedom of speech and democracy but all of this is slowly being swept away by the state. You have the power too bring this to an end it's your choice freedom or slavery, democracy or dictatorship.

SUBMAN1 · 11-20-06, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

I have no problems with an ID card. In Israel, everyone carries them. No problem. I think the phobia against them is just that - a phobia.

RFID chips that can be used for tracking are a definite no-no, however.

I have a problem with it. To drive on a state owned public street, maybe, to walk the street, hell no! I want to live in freedom and when I am starting to have to do things for the state when I simply leave the house, then I no longer have that freedom, and I live in a state policed world. No other way to describe it. I carry my ID almost daily already, but I do not want to be forced to carry it!

-S

PS. THat is not a phobia. Its simply about freedom to live my life.

TteFAboB · 11-20-06, 01:02 PM

Captain Nemo raised a very important point:

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But information on us is already held on many government databases what difference is one more going to make?

If the government already knows so much and can identify you so easily, why take this one more step? Is there ever too much? Or not enough?

If the justification is to help fight crime ("unless you wish to hide something or do something criminal") with "police resources stretched as they are" how would this new super-card help with that if "they will have other things to contend with."? Even further "at the end of the day what is the likelyhood of being stopped for your ID card"? Seems like it would be completely useless or redundant.

It's common to think that the politicians must be taking a share from the card production. But if you really think about it, it's the wallet makers that want this thing pushed: you'll need one extra slot to store your card. If you have it, good for you, if not, time to buy a new wallet.

Godalmighty83 · 11-21-06, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

Why are so many people in England want the ID card I ask?

good job the majority are against id cards then isnt it.

Kapitan · 11-21-06, 06:59 AM

This is just one more piece of plastic to be cloned by identity thiefs.

Captain Nemo · 11-21-06, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Godalmighty83

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Originally Posted by STEED

Why are so many people in England want the ID card I ask?

good job the majority are against id cards then isnt it.

How do you know that?

Nemo

jumpy · 11-21-06, 07:55 AM

I already have enough identification to prove who I am if required to, but I'll be damned if I have to show my 'papers' to some snotty little oik in a uniform in the middle of the street. The National Id card is a typical example of bad policy making, a red herring if you will, designed to show that Blair is being tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime. Realistically it will make sod all difference to the safety and security of the general public. What it will do is cost the taxpayer billions of pounds better spent elsewhere, not to mention the fact that this system (like all others of this type) is wide open to the same abuse the rest of these schemes suffer from.
In exactly the same way as a previous government banned the legal possession and use of handguns because of a couple of nutters lost their marbles, citing that banning all handguns would reduce gun crime etc. Well, the criminals still have guns and still shoot each other, the police and the general public, with an undaunted vigour.

The National Identity Card proposal is doomed to failure for exactly the same reasons which now mean that the UK Olympic pistol target shooting team cannot train on mainland UK. It is ill thought out and ill advised and is merely paying lip-service to some pie-in-the-sky political idealist, vote grabbing hack... all at the expense and inconvenience of law abiding folk like you and me.

Far better for the various departments (criminal and governmental and local authority eg benefit fraud etc) who's competence has been called into question when dealing with basic everyday operation and crime on all levels, be addressed and corrected with a little common sense instead of this blitz of inept legislation and PC focus groups which Labour traditionally are so keen on.
There is no 'magic bullet' to cure the social and cultural problems we have today, the sooner the politicos realise this the better. But you can sort of forgive them for wanting to be 'the one' to solve all of society's evils in a blaze of flashbulbs and glory. No doubt if I was a self-serving egomaniac I'd feel exactly the same.

/soap-box

STEED · 11-21-06, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jumpy

I already have enough identification to prove who I am if required to, but I'll be damned if I have to show my 'papers' to some snotty little oik in a uniform in the middle of the street.

Well said jumpy

Why the heck do we need this ID card when we got plenty of ID now.

STEED · 11-21-06, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Nemo

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Originally Posted by Godalmighty83

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Originally Posted by STEED

Why are so many people in England want the ID card I ask?

good job the majority are against id cards then isnt it.

How do you know that?

Nemo

Here's a example.

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76% Of Brits Reject ID Card
Paul Routledge London Mirror
Friday, November 17, 2006
JUST for the record: readers of the Yorkshire Post were asked in a phone-in poll if Identity Cards should be made compulsory. Seventysix out of 100 said "No", and 24 per cent said "Yes".
Remember that, next time government ministers claim - as they always do - that the overwhelming majority of Britons support the introduction of a compulsory ID card system.

11-20-06, 05:43 AM	#1
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Britain's frantic rush towards a fully fledged surveillance society Why are people in England want the ID card I ask? These people are willing to give up there freedom for security, which is better known as slavery. Yes as soon as I get my ID card and the RFID I will be safe, what a lode of rubbish that thinking will bring about the end of democracy and freedom. As far as I am concerned the present Labour Government under the leadership of Tony Blair has crossed the line, the police can arrest you for anything and Tony Blair believes he has the right to force us to carry the ID Card. I here five centres are ready to take your info and more are on the way. I will never carry the ID card; I reject the database state and its Big Brother 1984. Surveillance is really getting under my skin Reject the database state. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT! Last edited by STEED; 11-21-06 at 07:58 AM.

11-20-06, 06:45 AM	#3
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	ID card? oh thats what your sig is about Is this card compulsory or can you choose to have it or not? Im asking cause if it happens in your country no doubt we will follow we seem to copy what you brits do. All i know is their be alot of blackmarket cards coming out if it happend here. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

11-20-06, 07:01 AM	#5
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I have no problems with an ID card. In Israel, everyone carries them. No problem. I think the phobia against them is just that - a phobia. RFID chips that can be used for tracking are a definite no-no, however. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

11-20-06, 07:10 AM	#6
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Tony Blair is lying to all of us, there are no benefits too the ID card what so ever, this card will take us one step nearer too slavery. You only got too look around you now the police have the power too arrest you without question, spy cameras are all over the place and the Government is slowly taking your freedom away from you. And all this is done in the name of democracy! Sorry no, this is the act of an government that has crossed the line. Have they forgotten they work for us we are the one's who voted them in. What gives them the right to change the rules? Anyone caught shouting out “we are living in a police state” outside the House of Commons is soon arrested, so much for freedom of speech. The ID card is a form of control and that control is your information which will be stored on a database which will mark the end of your privacy and freedom. And don't forget the cost of this card which you will have too paid for. Why any of us should be forced to give the state information about ourselves? This information will be stored onto a National Identity Register resulting in the creation of a National Identity Register Number for all of us. This database will not be secure due too the fact some 400,000 civil servants won there case in the high court this year to view personnel details about you and I. The whole system is open to abuse by the very people we vote for. I believe in freedom of speech and democracy but all of this is slowly being swept away by the state. You have the power too bring this to an end it's your choice freedom or slavery, democracy or dictatorship. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

11-21-06, 06:59 AM	#10
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11-20-06, 06:19 AM	#2
KevinB Planesman Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Milton Keynes Posts: 195 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Ditto STEED I will never carry an ID card. I would rather go to prison along with thousands of others who will repel this repressive regime. The other thing that worries me about the under the skin implants that can track is is I have heard of parent in the USA lining up to have their children microchipped. Ever heard of Gary McKinnon? He hacked into the (I think NSA database) and saw pictures of UFOs and other things not of this earth. Learning this from a hacker's handbook as well. The spooks also use ECHELON and PROMIS to read our emails and listen to our conversations. No doubt they even read this forum!

11-20-06, 06:51 AM	#4
The Noob The Old Man Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: de_dust2 Posts: 1,417 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I say no to id card and i say no to microchips. If they want to force this on my, they can royally suck my @&$%/§! We need another Revolution.

11-21-06, 07:55 AM	#12
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	I already have enough identification to prove who I am if required to, but I'll be damned if I have to show my 'papers' to some snotty little oik in a uniform in the middle of the street. The National Id card is a typical example of bad policy making, a red herring if you will, designed to show that Blair is being tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime. Realistically it will make sod all difference to the safety and security of the general public. What it will do is cost the taxpayer billions of pounds better spent elsewhere, not to mention the fact that this system (like all others of this type) is wide open to the same abuse the rest of these schemes suffer from. In exactly the same way as a previous government banned the legal possession and use of handguns because of a couple of nutters lost their marbles, citing that banning all handguns would reduce gun crime etc. Well, the criminals still have guns and still shoot each other, the police and the general public, with an undaunted vigour. The National Identity Card proposal is doomed to failure for exactly the same reasons which now mean that the UK Olympic pistol target shooting team cannot train on mainland UK. It is ill thought out and ill advised and is merely paying lip-service to some pie-in-the-sky political idealist, vote grabbing hack... all at the expense and inconvenience of law abiding folk like you and me. Far better for the various departments (criminal and governmental and local authority eg benefit fraud etc) who's competence has been called into question when dealing with basic everyday operation and crime on all levels, be addressed and corrected with a little common sense instead of this blitz of inept legislation and PC focus groups which Labour traditionally are so keen on. There is no 'magic bullet' to cure the social and cultural problems we have today, the sooner the politicos realise this the better. But you can sort of forgive them for wanting to be 'the one' to solve all of society's evils in a blaze of flashbulbs and glory. No doubt if I was a self-serving egomaniac I'd feel exactly the same. /soap-box __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life