UCLA student tasered - Page 3

Konovalov · 11-17-06, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by HunterICX

for a nice example the Madrid Bank robber , wich took hostiges
he demanded a motorcycle to escape which he got (Bad choise I would choose a Tank)
the reason why is shown here:

http://rob.com/matt/misc_videos/Car_vids/spainbank.wmv

I see why you suggested the tank.

That guy must have been a promising candidate for moron of the year.

VON_CAPO · 11-17-06, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sonar732

Incite a riot and then hide behind the results...

Out of reality again.

This is Subsim, an internet board (an electronic board in the cyberspace), general topics category, and we are commenting a post.
It is impossible to me to imagine how the Subsim's members can create a riot.

Do you have any clue how this can be possible?

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I see this thread being locked again because of your beliefs.

That thread was locked not because of my beliefs, but yours.
Ask to the Big Chief about that.

sonar732 · 11-17-06, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by VON_CAPO

...at many parts of the civilizated world these abusers would be lynched by the people at once.

This isn't inciting a riot?

August · 11-17-06, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sonar732

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Originally Posted by VON_CAPO

...at many parts of the civilizated world these abusers would be lynched by the people at once.

This isn't inciting a riot?

I think it is and besides that it is inaccurate. In many parts of the civilized world the kid would have got a darn good beating if not a bullet between the eyes.

Onkel Neal · 11-17-06, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sonar732

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Originally Posted by VON_CAPO

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Originally Posted by TteFAboB

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Originally Posted by VON_CAPO

(...)this is a academical ambit, where freedom and respect rules.

Hypocrite......................

You are running out of limits.
No personal attacks please.

BTW: the video was posted by american people, not by me. And the violence happened in UCLA, not in Teheran or China.

Incite a riot and then hide behind the results...I see this thread being locked again because of your beliefs.

No, I don't think that will happen, let's just be sure we all stick to a friendly discussion and even if we do not agree, let's not get too heated or personal

sonar732 · 11-17-06, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by VON_CAPO

That thread was locked not because of my beliefs, but yours.
Ask to the Big Chief about that.

It wasn't about your beliefs per sey...it was how you brought them to the forum. I hate to let you in...but I wasn't notified at any point about being unprofessional regarding my post. Draggin in the "Big Chief" wasn't the smartest idea.

Konovalov · 11-17-06, 12:37 PM

Guys, Neal has said not to get too heated or personal. The best way of avoiding such is by staying on the topic at hand in this thread. If you have a problem with past history between you then take it off the forums or via PM's but not here. Please?

TteFAboB · 11-17-06, 12:56 PM

EDIT: To prevent further misunderstanding I will abide by VON_CAPO's rule book and add that this post has: (no offense intended)

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Originally Posted by VON_CAPO

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Originally Posted by TteFAboB

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Originally Posted by VON_CAPO

(...)this is a academical ambit, where freedom and respect rules.

Hypocrite......................

You are running out of limits.
No personal attacks please.

BTW: the video was posted by american people, not by me. And the violence happened in UCLA, not in Teheran or China.

You have said the mob should've lynched the guards, are you willing to repeat that in their face? In front of them? If you would then ignore my coward allegation and I apologize for it.

I am not being personal here but merely acknowledging the fact that you are a hypocrite to speak of respect and freedom when you have no respect for nor tolerate freedom of religion. It is your freedom only and your respect only, it is personal and egocentric and not universal and for all.

These are not attacks, they're facts unless proven wrong. If you believe me to be wrong you can instantly prove it by expressing respect for religion and speaking for freedom of religion. Do this and my post crumbles down making water. Do not do this and you prove you do not believe in universal freedom, only in freedom for some people and respect for some things.

This has everything to do with the topic of persecution in university Konovalov, persecution of religious students.

TteFAboB · 11-17-06, 01:15 PM

EDIT: To prevent further misunderstanding I will abide by VON_CAPO's rule book and add that this post has: (no offense intended)

Had to interrupt that post, so forgive the "double post" of sorts.

Carrying on,

VON_CAPO, further back you've made the following statement:

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I understand that american people are well trained to obey "authority" (no offense intended);...

All you people worried about personal attacks, look here now. VON_CAPO believes he can make this statement without intending offense, however, when I present ideas contrary to his own he hides behind the "no offenses please"?

Is this it VON_CAPO? You can make statements about entire groups of people without offending them, however, I cannot make a statement about your hypocrisy without it being a personal attack? This only proves the hypocrisy even further, there is one rule for you and one for everybody else.

And finally about the Chinese or Teheranian point, that's a counter-argument to precisely the statement I quoted here. If you were in China or Teheran and if you would not rebel against the authority because there would be painful consequences, then you can't speak anything of the American people if under harsher circumstances you'd just bow and obey, though you're willing to rise against authority in the USA where the Rule of Law guarantees your personal safety to do so. And if it is possible to rise against authority in the USA, that means the American people are not submissive to authority, otherwise their system would not grant you the freedom to take these guards to court had you been personally involved if you wanted to.

SUBMAN1 · 11-17-06, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by *[FOX]* Bort

This incident disturbs me because I am considering becoming a police officer (if some other job options don't pan out) and if that means my job is to repeatably electrify some idiot when I could just as easily (and less painfully) physically subdue him, I'm not sure that is an occupation I would like to pursue. Use of force is all about proportion and necessity and neither of those criteria were fulfilled in this incident from what I could see.

You better think twice about being a cop, then. They routinely have to deal with the scum of society. Why do you think they get such violent attitudes? After a few years of arguing with junkies, punks, and drunks, you get pretty fed up. Wait till you "easily (and less painfully) physically subdue" some wiseass and he gets an elbow loose and knocks some of your teeth out.

You're not getting paid to be nice. People should show some respect to the law and its enforcers. Or they could get tasered

The taser doesn't work well I see unless you shoot it. They should have shot him with it so he gets the point that ID is 'mandatory' or 'leave'.

-S

VON_CAPO · 11-17-06, 01:36 PM

Bad news, the guy is Iranian-American

This is going to appear in Al Jazeera network.

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VON_CAPO · 11-17-06, 01:58 PM

A student making a few comments about this repulsive incident.
Very disturbing.

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sonar732 · 11-17-06, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by VON_CAPO

A student making a few comments about this repulsive incident.
Very disturbing.

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He talks much about nothing.

sonar732 · 11-17-06, 03:15 PM

From the local NBC news affiliat.

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/10325914/detail.html

sonar732 · 11-17-06, 03:20 PM

And as I predicted...

UCLA Student files lawsuit

Just look at all the organizations that took part.

11-17-06, 12:37 PM	#37
Konovalov Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK Posts: 2,811 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Guys, Neal has said not to get too heated or personal. The best way of avoiding such is by staying on the topic at hand in this thread. If you have a problem with past history between you then take it off the forums or via PM's but not here. Please? __________________ "In a Christian context, sexuality is traditionally seen as a consequence of the Fall, but for Muslims, it is an anticipation of paradise. So I can say, I think, that I was validly converted to Islam by a teenage French Jewish nudist." Sheikh Abdul-Hakim Murad (Timothy Winter)

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VON_CAPO Samurai Navy Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 588 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Bad news, the guy is Iranian-American This is going to appear in Al Jazeera network. --->

11-17-06, 01:58 PM	#42
VON_CAPO Samurai Navy Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 588 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	A student making a few comments about this repulsive incident. Very disturbing. --->

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sonar732 The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Central MO Posts: 1,562 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	From the local NBC news affiliat. http://www.nbc4.tv/news/10325914/detail.html

11-17-06, 03:20 PM	#45
sonar732 The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Central MO Posts: 1,562 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	And as I predicted... UCLA Student files lawsuit Just look at all the organizations that took part.