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05-30-20, 06:22 AM | #31 | |
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Just like Europe has people who like to travel to football games just to fight, I am sure we have people here in the US who like to travel to protests to fight/loot I just don't understand that mindset.
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05-30-20, 08:49 AM | #32 |
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Yeah, me either, really taints the legitimacy of these protests.
I wish the protesters could organize effectively and a. sue the city and politicians,The police are out of control |
05-30-20, 12:27 PM | #33 |
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I do understand why people protest against those bad cops and the police force who seems unable to take of this.
BUT I do NOT have any understanding to those protester who attack stores and set fire to buildings. Markus |
05-30-20, 02:35 PM | #34 |
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I think the riots have gone way beyond the original problem.
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05-30-20, 02:47 PM | #35 |
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05-30-20, 03:52 PM | #36 |
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The riots are a manifestation of the original protests being hijacked by thugs and criminals in pursuit of their own agendas. The burning and looting of stores have nothing to do with with the murder of George Floyd. The criminals are using the Floyd killing to justify their looting and other criminal activities and don't care about the real issues. What's worse are a number of these businesses are minority, black owned businesses and are trying to recover from the covid-19 shutdowns.
To Illustrate the racist culture of the Minneapolis Police Department, Lt. Bob Kroll, president of the Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis has allegedly been making racist statements and wore a " White Power " Patch. If Kroll had any brains at all, he would keep his mouth shut and do everything in his power not to inflame an already bad situation. All Kroll has done is show his true colors which may be useful in a complete overhaul of the police department and unions there. This clearly demonstrates the culture in the police department and union and raises questions regarding the handling of numerous complaints against Derek Chauvin and the dismissal of those complaints, if they were ever investigated. https://ww w.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2020/05/minneapolis-police-union-president-allegedly-wore-a-white-power-patch-and-made-racist-remarks/ In a related development, the wife of Derek Chauvin, the police officer charged in the death of George Floyd, has filed for divorce. Kelli Chauvin has been distraught since the murder of George Floyd. Quote: “This evening, I spoke with Kellie Chauvin and her family. She is devastated by Mr. Floyd’s death and her utmost sympathy lies with his family, with his loved ones and with everyone who is grieving this tragedy. She has filed for dissolution of her marriage to Derek Chauvin,” reads the statement released by Sekula Law Offices. https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/...s-for-divorce/ And, the hits just keep on coming for Chauvin. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Last edited by Commander Wallace; 05-30-20 at 04:02 PM. |
05-30-20, 04:03 PM | #37 |
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Got to get control over looters and riots alright, but real leadership would try to de-escalate things instead of pouring oil into the fire. Trump (ab)uses twitter to get past any reason and directly stir up things without thinking.
Some years ago a friend of mine from the US (nothing to do with this forum) said there is no racism in the US ("..a thing of the past"). Does not look like it for all. Wearing a "White Power" patch as a police officer @Neal is that video you posted related to Minneapolis? I have no idea what is going on there (video).
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05-30-20, 05:56 PM | #38 | |
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05-30-20, 06:07 PM | #39 | |
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05-30-20, 06:10 PM | #40 | |
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There is a lot of racism in Europe of course, but here it is often coupled to fear and loathing of foreigners, to nationalism and jingoism, either as a reason or the outcome of such mindset. @Neal thanks, so another scenario. An exagerrated reaction or so it seems.
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05-31-20, 03:20 AM | #41 | |
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05-31-20, 03:42 AM | #42 |
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Social dynamite due to a culture of violence and an incrwaing gap between hgaves and have-nots. Already the Romans knew that the latter is dangeorus and should niot go beyond a criticla treshhold.
Gets ignited by racism and a polcie in which racism obviously is an inherent issue. Because such killings happen again and again and again and again. I lost track of how many debates babout police killings we have had in my time in this fiorum, 20 years. Still, several times forum member sinsisted that Americna societ yknows no racism, sicne it is written on some document. Its absurd, its relaity denial. And because it gets denied (Trump even tries to deflect again and blames lefties), it will be a problem that intensifies with every year passing by. Its the unsolved inner contradictions of American society. And by battling the symptoms you will only battle the symptoms, not solve the root causes that constantly grow. Sooner or later they will become overwhelming, and the American state will become a failed state. With the massive devaluing of money comes growing prices and growing expropriation of the middle and low class.
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05-31-20, 04:10 AM | #43 | |
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It doe snot happen often that I agree with the opinions voiced in the far-left leaning newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung (SZ), I dislike this one very much, but every once in a while they surprise me.
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05-31-20, 12:57 PM | #44 |
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I have a heavy suspicion that if some magical field went over these people, preventing them from taking drugs/drinking, partying, networking, and having sex w/each other in their off hours, 95% of them wouldn't be there.
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05-31-20, 05:19 PM | #45 |
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Here are some interesting stuff you can dig into.
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/fr...ONp2NNEhMvcKkY And even this https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/...qkVRNmCsZsBXvs Markus |
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