US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Rockstar]

Ya, but what about the porn star?

[vienna]

Already answered in previous posts...

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[Rockstar]

Do you think Trump and his minions have or will star in a movie with her? I wonder if the FBI and Mueller's investigative team are ready to hand out dozens of subpoenas over that? I'd bet those Russian internet trolls we just spent several million dollars and countless man hours tracking down are, like Flynn and Manafort, trembling in their boots right now ready to roll over on Trump and make a plea deal.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Do you think Trump and his minions have or will star in a movie with her? I wonder if the FBI and Mueller's investigative team are ready to hand out dozens of subpoenas over that? I'd bet those Russian internet trolls we just spent several million dollars and countless man hours tracking down are just like Flynn and Manafort ready to roll over on Trump and make a plea deal.

Come on man! Let it go

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by vienna

I don't buy the whole "what about Clinton?, et al, argument endlessly brought up as a defense for Trump and his minions failings and criminality. Shouldn't the question be "With a GOP controlled House and a GOP controlled Senate, a GOP Attorney General, and a GOP President, why haven't any of them even taken the smallest move to actually launch and prosecute investigations into what they keep carping about incessantly; they've got the power and the authority yet they do nothing but bitch loudly and fruitlessly; so far, its all been all hat and no cattle..."...

The hilarious part about all that is it makes both the GOP and the President look incompetent.

Or.. you know, the other alternative: the Democrats are the ones actually running the country... somehow.

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Come on man! Let it go

Just ignore him, his brain wants to believe so hard that the Russia investigation is now over that something just snapped. Poor thing.


On Trump's "2014" tweet, here's two twitter threads by Seth Abramson examining Trump's claim:
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...98749225013248
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...76324749209601

[u crank]

Originally Posted by vienna

I don't buy the whole "what about Clinton?, et al, argument endlessly brought up as a defense for Trump and his minions failings and criminality. Shouldn't the question be "With a GOP controlled House and a GOP controlled Senate, a GOP Attorney General, and a GOP President, why haven't any of them even taken the smallest move to actually launch and prosecute investigations into what they keep carping about incessantly;

Originally Posted by Dowly

The hilarious part about all that is it makes both the GOP and the President look incompetent.

Another way of looking at it is that to do anything like that would be political suicide in an election year. Maybe they're smarter than you think. As for Clinton, I don't think history will be kind to her. The truth has a way of coming out.

Things don't look any better for the previous administrations mis-steps that may soon be revealed. Sometime this spring the DOJ's Inspector General Michael Horowitz will release his report on the Clinton email affair and how it was handled by the FBI and the DOJ. Andrew McCabe, James Comey, Loretta Lynch and others will be held accountable for how they handled the email investigation. I'm going to go out on a limb and say none of them will come out of this looking good. And of course that will be political hay for Trump and the GOP.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by u crank

Another way of looking at it is that to do anything like that would be political suicide in an election year. Maybe they're smarter than you think.

If you're talking about the GOP, then yeah, I don't think they are stupid. But I would imagine (hope) that there comes a point where Trump does something so stupid that even the GOP stops supporting him or the hit on their support will be too great.

As for Clinton, I don't think history will be kind to her. The truth has a way of coming out.

Things don't look any better for the previous administrations mis-steps that may soon be revealed. Sometime this spring the DOJ's Inspector General Michael Horowitz will release his report on the Clinton email affair and how it was handled by the FBI and the DOJ. Andrew McCabe, James Comey, Loretta Lynch and others will be held accountable for how they handled the email investigation. I'm going to go out on a limb and say none of them will come out of this looking good. And of course that will be political hay for Trump and the GOP.

I have no problem with investigating Clinton or/and the Obama administration, go for it. But none of it will automatically vindicate Trump nor should it have any bearing to the on-going Mueller probe. As many Republicans have said: Let the investigation conclude.

[Dowly]

And the Combover Caligula keeps on lying:

I never said Russia did not meddle in the election, I said “it may be Russia, or China or another country or group, or it may be a 400 pound genius sitting in bed and playing with his computer.” The Russian “hoax” was that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia - it never did!

Source: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...02556204003328

But wait a minute!

“I asked him again,” Trump said after what he described as several brief, informal chats with Putin in Danang, Vietnam, where they were attending a regional conference. “You can only ask so many times... He said he absolutely did not meddle in our election. He did not do what they are saying he did.

“I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it... I think he's very insulted, if you want to know the truth,” Trump told reporters travelling with him aboard Air Force One from Danang to Hanoi, on the ninth day of a long Asia tour. Trump voiced similar conclusions after his only previous meeting with Putin, last July in Germany.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8051706.html

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Dowly

If you're talking about the GOP, then yeah, I don't think they are stupid. But I would imagine (hope) that there comes a point where Trump does something so stupid that even the GOP stops supporting him or the hit on their support will be too great.

That's a nice thing to hope for if you're so inclined but I don't think it will happen. Trump has played this game all his life. What I don't understand is why people are so anxious to get rid of him. He is the left/DNC's best chance to win in 2018 and 2020. The story writes itself. Of course you know who will be president if Trump is removed or resigns. Mike Pence is the GOP's dream candidate. Right wing conservative Christian with a dash of swamp creature thrown in. A GOP president designed in the lab. Pence's biggest backers are a couple of guys you may have heard of... Charles and David Koch. If Trump is removed from office before 2020, Pence could possibly be President for ten years. Careful what you wish for.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by u crank

That's a nice thing to hope for if you're so inclined but I don't think it will happen. Trump has played this game all his life. What I don't understand is why people are so anxious to get rid of him.

Because he is a non-President. He has done very little during the past year and much of what he takes credit for was put in motion already by Obama. He is also very, very bad for America's image in the rest of the world. I don't care how much Americans think they don't need the rest of the world, the globalized world says otherwise. Americans might get *some* manufacturing back to the US, but the prices will rise for those products, there is no reason to think otherwise.

Of course you know who will be president if Trump is removed or resigns. Mike Pence is the GOP's dream candidate. Right wing conservative Christian with a dash of swamp creature thrown in. A GOP president designed in the lab. Pence's biggest backers are a couple of guys you may have heard of... Charles and David Koch. If Trump is removed from office before 2020, Pence could possibly be President for ten years. Careful what you wish for.

Yes, I know the next line is Pence and I am not happy with him either, but atleast him, like Hillary, got some experience about politics. Trump is not even trying anymore to be the President of the United States. He Tweets and goes to Mar-a-Lago (which, people like Rockstar, the taxpayer, pay for).

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by u crank

Mike Pence is the GOP's dream candidate. Right wing conservative Christian with a dash of swamp creature thrown in. A GOP president designed in the lab. Pence's biggest backers are a couple of guys you may have heard of... Charles and David Koch. If Trump is removed from office before 2020, Pence could possibly be President for ten years. Careful what you wish for.

True and this is way I see it to, but must I remind you of:




John Francis Kelly is an American government official and retired general serving as the current White House Chief of Staff for President Donald Trump

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Because he is a non-President.

That is not a very good reason to remove a president before his term is up. If it can be proven that Trump did something illegal then yes. Otherwise you are thwarting the will of 62,979,879 American voters. Unless there is a very good reason for removal, it will create a crisis. The proper, democratic way is to vote against him and win. Win the House and Senate in 2018 and Trump is a lame duck president. Run a good candidate against him in 2020 and he is gone.

He has done very little during the past year and much of what he takes credit for was put in motion already by Obama.

Really. Trump's major legislative accomplishment is his tax bill. He stole that from Obama? Trump's deregulation was Obama's idea? Getting out of the ridiculous Paris Climate deal Obama's idea? I could go on.

Trump is not even trying anymore to be the President of the United States. He Tweets and goes to Mar-a-Lago

Now you are just making stuff up.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by u crank

That is not a very good reason to remove a president before his term is up.

I followed it with why I don't think he is a good president. Don't cherry pick.

Otherwise you are thwarting the will of 62,979,879 American voters.

Why would you even bring that up? You do know that 65,853,652 voted for Hillary?
(PS. Where is the Trump investigation on him winning the popular vote too?)

Unless there is a very good reason for removal, it will create a crisis.

That is what the Mueller probe is there for. Why can't you people just let it conclude? It will either vindicate Trump or not.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Dowly

I followed it with why I don't think he is a good president. Don't cherry pick.

Nothing you said is a good reason to remove him from office other than by election. The only proper reason is illegal or treasonous activity. Just because you disagree with his policies is not a good enough reason. At least not in the USA.

That is what the Mueller probe is there for. Why can't you people just let it conclude? It will either vindicate Trump or not.

Hmm?? I don't think I have ever said other wise. And who are the 'you people' you are referring to?

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by u crank

Nothing you said is a good reason to remove him from office other than by election. The only proper reason is illegal or treasonous activity. Just because you disagree with his policies is not a good enough reason. At least not in the USA.

I take your original question to ask why I personally don't think Trump is a good president. I concede that it was my mistake.

Hmm?? I don't think I have ever said other wise. And who are the 'you people' you are referring to?

IYou people as in Trump supporters. Let the Mueller probe conclude, what's the harm?