UK Politics Thread - Page 286

Jimbuna · 06-02-15, 02:19 PM

Another burdon he was having to live with was the death of his father two months ago.

RIP Charles, you were one of the few that were worthy of their position in Westminster.

BossMark · 06-04-15, 10:57 AM

Gideon has told MPs he is cutting government spending by £3bn.

I don't know how they will cope with just one bottle of champagne each at lunch time.

MGR1 · 06-04-15, 04:33 PM

Interesting little article from the Guardian about the effects of proposed boundary changes on Labour:

"Election swing Labour needs for majority has doubled, study finds":

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ed-study-finds

I think that what it boils down to is that Labour needs to find the sweet spot in order to make itself acceptable to the English electorate. The popular policies they need to win in England will make them effectively unelectable up here. That means abandoning any attempt to appeal to voters in Scotland. In that scenario, they'd better just split the Scottish branch of the party off so it can find it's own niche within the Scottish political spectrum, if it can. The way that England and Scotland have diverged politically since devolution make it near impossible for any party to have policies that are popular in both countries. This is where PR is needed as well as a fully federal structure for the UK.

In the meantime, it appears that the penny may have finally dropped in SLAB's hierarchy:

"Scottish Labour has not put Holyrood at the centre, says Kezia Dugdale":

https://www.holyrood.com/articles/ne...-kezia-dugdale

It's only taken them how long to figure that bit out?!!!

Mike.

Jimbuna · 06-05-15, 09:38 AM

Watched Ed stand up and speak for the first time since the election and thought he was a shadow of his former shadowly persona, he did however manage to crack a joke from one of his kids regarding him supposedly once being famous.

MGR1 · 06-05-15, 09:59 AM

A rather interesting perspective on what's happening in this part of the woods:

https://flipchartfairytales.wordpres...t-is-scotland/

Nice map showing which party came second in each constituency. As the blog says it shows the older political preferences in Scotland prior to the SNP's landslide, with the exception of the three constituencies which they didn't get:

There are more than a few similarities between the SNP and Ireland's Fianna Fáil.

It would be interesting to hear a non-Scottish perspective on the article?

In the meantime, it does appear that Charles Kennedy's death was alcohol related, at least indirectly:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33025795

Mike.

STEED · 06-06-15, 03:52 AM

On the radio last night it was reported the former president of the Ed Milliband fan club said the country did not deserve to have Ed for PM as he was such a nice guy.

STEED · 06-07-15, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MGR1

Nice map showing which party came second in each constituency.

That map clearly shows TFPTP system is now out of date.

STEED · 06-07-15, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MGR1

I think that what it boils down to is that Labour needs to find the sweet spot in order to make itself acceptable to the English electorate. The popular policies they need to win in England

Problem is Labour is in real big trouble and any chance winning in 2020 going to take more than a miracle. Reading news comments from those who support Labour are waving the big stick at all the leadership candidates.

The Tories propaganda against Labour's last government will still bang on in 2020 and many people will buy it.

Jimbuna · 06-07-15, 09:25 AM

UNITE and its public shenanigans will get more people voting Tory than those voting Labour.

MGR1 · 06-07-15, 10:02 AM

Very true. Less political posturing and bit more concentration on actually supporting their members in the workplace would be good. They also have too much bias towards protecting public sector conditions, where their core support is. Would be nice if they were to look after those of us who are members but work in the private sector?!

They might actually do a bit better if they took a less 1970's confrontational style and looked more towards co-operation.

Anyway, they have a major problem in Scotland. A large proportion of their members vote for the SNP, not Labour. Due to the Nats party structure, they won't be able to have the same degree of influence as they do with Labour. As far as I'm aware, SNP party members won't stand for any interference from the Unions in how the party is run. Soooo, the Unions have screwed themselves somewhat, at least up here!

Naturally, I can't say what's happening in the rest of the UK?

Mike.

BossMark · 06-08-15, 02:20 AM

David Cameron says ministers must back any EU deal

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33043694

Vote as I tell you or be sacked in other words.

Well this may take a bit of pressure off Labours problems

.

STEED · 06-08-15, 06:52 AM

Dave is ready for any rebellion in his own ranks.

Jimbuna · 06-08-15, 07:13 AM

Camerons real problem being he has a small majority of 12 and any rebellion however small from within his party can have far reaching consequences for anything he tries to push through.

Oberon · 06-08-15, 07:27 AM

I'm all for the UK staying in Europe, but any rebellion in the Tories will be amusing to watch, even though it will sadly give more power to UKIP.

BossMark · 06-09-15, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

Dave is ready for any rebellion in his own ranks.

Dave's next speech in the house of commons.

06-02-15, 02:19 PM	#4276
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,621 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Another burdon he was having to live with was the death of his father two months ago. RIP Charles, you were one of the few that were worthy of their position in Westminster. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-04-15, 10:57 AM	#4277
BossMark Fleet Admiral Join Date: May 2011 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 15,272 Downloads: 278 Uploads: 0	Gideon has told MPs he is cutting government spending by £3bn. I don't know how they will cope with just one bottle of champagne each at lunch time. __________________ Never trust the Tories look what Thatcher and Major did in the 80s and 90s and look what the wicked witch May is doing now doing now Last edited by BossMark; 06-04-15 at 11:22 AM.

06-04-15, 04:33 PM	#4278
MGR1 Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland, United Kingdom Posts: 980 Downloads: 252 Uploads: 0	Interesting little article from the Guardian about the effects of proposed boundary changes on Labour: "Election swing Labour needs for majority has doubled, study finds": http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ed-study-finds I think that what it boils down to is that Labour needs to find the sweet spot in order to make itself acceptable to the English electorate. The popular policies they need to win in England will make them effectively unelectable up here. That means abandoning any attempt to appeal to voters in Scotland. In that scenario, they'd better just split the Scottish branch of the party off so it can find it's own niche within the Scottish political spectrum, if it can. The way that England and Scotland have diverged politically since devolution make it near impossible for any party to have policies that are popular in both countries. This is where PR is needed as well as a fully federal structure for the UK. In the meantime, it appears that the penny may have finally dropped in SLAB's hierarchy: "Scottish Labour has not put Holyrood at the centre, says Kezia Dugdale": https://www.holyrood.com/articles/ne...-kezia-dugdale It's only taken them how long to figure that bit out?!!! Mike. __________________ "I am the battleship Jean Bart. This name originates from a certain 'respected' privateer... Yes? You want to know what privateers are? Hmph, they are pirates that rob openly under the banner of their country." Jean Bart from the mobile game Azur Lane. Last edited by MGR1; 06-04-15 at 04:39 PM.

06-05-15, 09:38 AM	#4279
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,621 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Watched Ed stand up and speak for the first time since the election and thought he was a shadow of his former shadowly persona, he did however manage to crack a joke from one of his kids regarding him supposedly once being famous. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-05-15, 09:59 AM	#4280
MGR1 Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland, United Kingdom Posts: 980 Downloads: 252 Uploads: 0	A rather interesting perspective on what's happening in this part of the woods: https://flipchartfairytales.wordpres...t-is-scotland/ Nice map showing which party came second in each constituency. As the blog says it shows the older political preferences in Scotland prior to the SNP's landslide, with the exception of the three constituencies which they didn't get: There are more than a few similarities between the SNP and Ireland's Fianna Fáil. It would be interesting to hear a non-Scottish perspective on the article? In the meantime, it does appear that Charles Kennedy's death was alcohol related, at least indirectly: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33025795 Mike. __________________ "I am the battleship Jean Bart. This name originates from a certain 'respected' privateer... Yes? You want to know what privateers are? Hmph, they are pirates that rob openly under the banner of their country." Jean Bart from the mobile game Azur Lane.

06-06-15, 03:52 AM	#4281
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	On the radio last night it was reported the former president of the Ed Milliband fan club said the country did not deserve to have Ed for PM as he was such a nice guy. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

06-07-15, 09:25 AM	#4284
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,621 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	UNITE and its public shenanigans will get more people voting Tory than those voting Labour. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-07-15, 10:02 AM	#4285
MGR1 Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland, United Kingdom Posts: 980 Downloads: 252 Uploads: 0	Very true. Less political posturing and bit more concentration on actually supporting their members in the workplace would be good. They also have too much bias towards protecting public sector conditions, where their core support is. Would be nice if they were to look after those of us who are members but work in the private sector?! They might actually do a bit better if they took a less 1970's confrontational style and looked more towards co-operation. Anyway, they have a major problem in Scotland. A large proportion of their members vote for the SNP, not Labour. Due to the Nats party structure, they won't be able to have the same degree of influence as they do with Labour. As far as I'm aware, SNP party members won't stand for any interference from the Unions in how the party is run. Soooo, the Unions have screwed themselves somewhat, at least up here! Naturally, I can't say what's happening in the rest of the UK? Mike. __________________ "I am the battleship Jean Bart. This name originates from a certain 'respected' privateer... Yes? You want to know what privateers are? Hmph, they are pirates that rob openly under the banner of their country." Jean Bart from the mobile game Azur Lane.

06-08-15, 02:20 AM	#4286
BossMark Fleet Admiral Join Date: May 2011 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 15,272 Downloads: 278 Uploads: 0	David Cameron says ministers must back any EU deal http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33043694 Vote as I tell you or be sacked in other words. Well this may take a bit of pressure off Labours problems . __________________ Never trust the Tories look what Thatcher and Major did in the 80s and 90s and look what the wicked witch May is doing now doing now

06-08-15, 06:52 AM	#4287
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Dave is ready for any rebellion in his own ranks. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

06-08-15, 07:13 AM	#4288
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,621 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Camerons real problem being he has a small majority of 12 and any rebellion however small from within his party can have far reaching consequences for anything he tries to push through. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-08-15, 07:27 AM	#4289
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	I'm all for the UK staying in Europe, but any rebellion in the Tories will be amusing to watch, even though it will sadly give more power to UKIP.