Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[Dargo]

Kursk Zone residents absolutely livid with the Russian authorities doing nothing to help them evacuate from their homes in light of advancing Ukrainian liberation forces. Residents who were forced to leave their homes in the Kursk region will be paid ten thousand Ruble (115 dollars), Putin announced. I don't think that'll even cover a tent.

[mapuc]

Are Putin going to do what he has threaten to do, if his country is under attack ? No he is not-He has it all in his toothless mouth



Markus

[mapuc]

Markus

[Rockstar]

This one is from Belarus, pro Russian. Lots of cope going on in the comments annd even the content creator is a bit stressed out over UKR gains.

[Jimbuna]

[Skybird]

As long as none of these experts can explain where and how the Ukrainians manage to pull all the many rabbits they need out of the hat to make this push a sustained, long lasting operation that holds its ground and repells the inevitable later Russian counterattack, I remain sceptical.

[Reece]

Yes I keep my fingers crossed all goes well for Ukraine. Maybe they should secretly start a new push from a totally different direction to throw the Russians off.

[Jimbuna]

I doubt they have sufficient manpower and equipment for that.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Skybird

As long as none of these experts can explain where and how the Ukrainians manage to pull all the many rabbits they need out of the hat to make this push a sustained, long lasting operation that holds its ground and repells the inevitable later Russian counterattack, I remain sceptical.

Well we have given them multi billions in cash, arms, ammunition & intelligence coupled with sanctions. Which wore down, Russian morale, economy and military personnel and hardware. Most of who UKR encountered were conscripts who didn’t want to fight and along with a lack of any coherent Russian response to the attack.

According to some reports UKR is now busy building fortifications around captured cities.

[Skybird]

The hypothesis that they launched this operation only to tell the Americans "Let us use ATCAMS unrestricted so that we can strike Russian military beyond the first 100km behind their border, then we leave these Russian grounds again" still has its charms.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The hypothesis that they launched this operation only to tell the Americans "Let us use ATCAMS unrestricted so that we can strike Russian military beyond the first 100km behind their border, then we leave these Russian grounds again" still has its charms.

‘They’ could never have achieved what they just did without the financial support, arms, ammo and intel the west provided. The U.S. in particular is always going to present itself as not wanting to escalate matters while at the same time providing the means to wage war. Publicly stating we are ‘surprised’ or ‘mad’ about UKR incursion into Russia is called plausible deniability maintaining the public’s perception this war is between Russia and Ukraine ONLY.

The ATCAMs arguement is just the usual European b.s. Nothing prevents anyone in Europe stepping up to the plate and allow UKR to use their long range missiles. Go ahead drop one on the Kremlin let me know how it turns out. Hell, at the outset central & Western Europe had to be cajoled to provide any kind of support.

Plus there is a very good reason we only sell ‘export’ models of our weapon systems. That’s why Ukraine got the export model F16 from Euro sources and not the U.S. model F16. Brits did the same thing giving Ukraine their limited range export model Stormshadows which is shorter range than ATCAMS.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

This is propaganda the Kurskaya Atomnaya Stantsiya is 60 kilometres from the border of Ukraine, Ukraine army is not that deep in Russia.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

As long as none of these experts can explain where and how the Ukrainians manage to pull all the many rabbits they need out of the hat to make this push a sustained, long-lasting operation that holds its ground and repells the inevitable later Russian counterattack, I remain sceptical.

You think wrong this operation is not about holding terrain also troop number is under 1000 (daily average Russian losses) it is not a raid but a special operation to ... (I really would not know) this operation is on a timetable they will leave before Russia really can react. The most amazing thing is that the Russians did not see this coming. This was rehearsed in advance and planned very carefully. There has to be logistical support, such as making sure refuelling can take place. You don't do this overnight. That they would go on the offensive is not so surprising in itself. Earlier this summer, it became clear that there would not be a major new offensive by the Russians, but that Russia would continue the current demolition offensive along the front lines. This freed up Ukrainian troops earmarked for defence to try something of their own. This takes Russia out of its routine for a while.

Using drone and rocket attacks, the Ukrainians seem to be succeeding in obstructing Russian logistics. A Russian column was attacked in the Russian town of Rylsk (25 kilometres from the border) on Friday morning. At least 12 vehicles were disabled in the process. A video of a passer-by shows bodies piled up. Dozens of Russian soldiers may have been killed in the attack, Russian independent newspaper Novaya Gazeta states. The city of Lipetsk (300 kilometres from the Ukrainian border) was targeted by Ukrainian drones during the night from Thursday to Friday. Sources told AP news agency that a military airfield was targeted.

Ukraine has limited reserves and cannot, like Russia, freely throw large numbers of soldiers into the fray. The culmination point has now been reached actually. I would be surprised if they are there for very long. The Russians need a few days to bring their ready units there. The first reaction you get is from the Russian air force. Then you'd better be gone.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Dargo

This is propaganda the Kurskaya Atomnaya Stantsiya is 60 kilometres from the border of Ukraine, Ukraine army is not that deep in Russia.

Mind games no doubt....both sides are constantly at it.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

‘They’ could never have achieved what they just did without the financial support, arms, ammo and intel the west provided. The U.S. in particular is always going to present itself as not wanting to escalate matters while at the same time providing the means to wage war. Publicly stating we are ‘surprised’ or ‘mad’ about UKR incursion into Russia is called plausible deniability maintaining the public’s perception this war is between Russia and Ukraine ONLY.

The ATCAMs arguement is just the usual European b.s. Nothing prevents anyone in Europe stepping up to the plate and allow UKR to use their long range missiles. Go ahead drop one on the Kremlin let me know how it turns out. Hell, at the outset central & Western Europe had to be cajoled to provide any kind of support.

Plus there is a very good reason we only sell ‘export’ models of our weapon systems. That’s why Ukraine got the export model F16 from Euro sources and not the U.S. model F16. Brits did the same thing giving Ukraine their limited range export model Stormshadows which is shorter range than ATCAMS.

The U.S. did deliver F-16s, but those are decoys gives the Russian what to shoot at and claim to have destroyed the Ukraine air force tenfold.