Who will be the next President of the United States?

[elite_hunter_sh3]

debate again tonight at 8pm

" His main issue is hard currency and monetary reform.

If he would have based his platform on the War in Iraq and Illegal Immigration, he would have already won by a landslide.

He's worried about the money, when the reality is - if we don't worry about gaining control of this country's borders first, there won't be a country left to spend this new hard currency in!"

sad but true...

[AVGWarhawk]

i would vote for ron paul.... hes the only one who actually sees the inevitable economic crash that could tear apart the USA, he sees the illegal immigration problem and foreign policy problems...

I think the others see this as well concerning the economy. They are not that blind. Immigration is still a touchy subject. Damned if they do and damn if they don't. Paul seems to be the only one who has a backbone for it.

his campaign management are mentally incapable of spreading the message, if he went strictly to the illegal immigration and the war issue, he would have won along time ago...

I agree on this point. Such a lack luster campaign really. Then again, it is all what the media wants you to see. They just about written off Republicans because GW was been in for 8 years and well, it is time for a Dem. The media has a long arm in swaying the general public. If he got more camera play he would be more in the forefront.

For example .. the latest boca raton florida debate... if he asked McCain " Senator McCain, did you or did you not spearhead the Amnesty for illegal immigrants bill in congress last year" if he said that McCain would have lost BIGTIME... instead R.P is concentrating on monetry reform and the currency.. small potatoes compared to the immigration and iraq issues... juiliani dropped out, thompson and hunter are gone.. Clinton is a communist, and Obama will turn this country into zimbabwe, with his spending and his pro war ideals..

I'm guessing Florida has quite a large percentage of illegals and well, perhaps he would not make it out of the state if that question was asked.....again, still a very touch subject concering illegal immigrants. I have not looked into McCain amnesty deal but did it say amnesty for those here already? Get educated and become a citizen but at the same time, close the boarders to any more? What have you read about the Amnesty for Illegals bill? I know very little about it.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

here is the List of all the senators in congress who voted for the Amnesty bill

the amnesty bill was a bill that was supposed to give automatic citizenship to over 12 million illegal immigrants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compreh...rm_Act_of_2007

the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007, or, in its full name, the Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (S. 1348) was a bill discussed in the 110th United States Congress that would have provided legal status and a path to legal citizenship for the approximately 12 million illegal immigrants currently residing in the United States. The bill was portrayed as a compromise between legalization of illegal immigrants and increased border enforcement: it included funding for 300 miles of vehicle barriers, 105 camera and radar towers, and 20,000 more Border Patrol agents, while simultaneously restructuring visa criterion around high skill workers. The bill also received heated criticism from both sides of the immigration debate. The bill was introduced in the United States Senate on May 9, 2007, but was never voted on, though a series of votes on amendments and cloture took place. The last vote on cloture, on June 7, 2007, 11:59 AM, failed 34-61 effectively ending the bill's chances. A related bill S. 1639, on June 28, 2007, 11:04 AM, also failed 46-53.

the bill was a compromise based largely on three previous failed immigration bills:

• the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act (S. 1033), a bill proposed in May 2005 by Senators Ted Kennedy and John McCain, sometimes referred to as the "McCain-Kennedy or McKennedy Bill"
• the Comprehensive Enforcement and Immigration Reform Act of 2005 (S. 1438), a bill proposed in July 2005 by Senators John Cornyn and Jon Kyl, sometimes referred to as the "Cornyn-Kyl Bill"
• the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 (S. 2611), sponsored by Senator Arlen Specter, which was passed in the Senate in May 2006 but never passed in the House

The attempt to pass an Amnesty Bill for 20 million illegal aliens was such an incredible act of treason that we need to remember who voted for this abomination and remove each and every one of them from office. From this point onward, the 46 Senators who voted to destroy America as we know it and who attempted to turn it into a Third World cesspool, will be known as “The Amnesty Traitors.”


Senator Trent Lott --one of 46 Amnesty Traitors who needs to go

A massive grass roots campaign organized by patriots on the Internet and talk radio hosts inspired millions of Americans to lobby the Senate incessantly for over a month to kill the Amnesty Bill. These Senators knew exactly what their constituents wanted. There is no excuse. Every single one of these Senators deliberately ignored the will of the people and voted to betray America.

It is now our moral obligation to vote every one of these traitors out of office. Every time there is a primary or election from now until the purge is complete, we need to e-mail this list of “Amnesty Traitors” to all our friends and encourage them to forward the list to their friends.

Many of these Senators have grown old and arrogant. They have nothing but disrespect for ordinary Americans and they have committed the ultimate offense of supporting an amnesty for 20 million illegal aliens. They tried to destroy our home, and now we have a moral obligation to end their political careers.

The Amnesty Traitors

The following Senators voted “yes” on an amnesty for 20 million illegals.

1. Akaka (D-HI), Yea
2. Bennett (R-UT), Yea
3. Biden (D-DE), Yea
4. Boxer (D-CA), Yea
5. Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
6. Cardin (D-MD), Yea
7. Carper (D-DE), Yea
8. Casey (D-PA), Yea
9. Clinton (D-NY), Yea
10. Conrad (D-ND), Yea
11. Craig (R-ID), Yea
12. Dodd (D-CT), Yea
13. Durbin (D-IL), Yea
14. Feingold (D-WI), Yea
15. Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
16. Graham (R-SC), Yea
17. Gregg (R-NH), Yea
18. Hagel (R-NE), Yea
19. Inouye (D-HI), Yea
20. Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
21. Kerry (D-MA), Yea
22. Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
23. Kohl (D-WI), Yea
24. Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
25. Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
26. Leahy (D-VT), Yea
27. Levin (D-MI), Yea
28. Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
29. Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
30. Lott (R-MS), Yea
31. Lugar (R-IN), Yea
32. Martinez (R-FL), Yea
33. McCain (R-AZ), Yea
34. Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
35. Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
36. Murray (D-WA), Yea
37. Nelson (D-FL), Yea
38. Obama (D-IL), Yea
39. Reed (D-RI), Yea
40. Reid (D-NV), Yea
41. Salazar (D-CO), Yea
42. Schumer (D-NY), Yea
43. Snowe (R-ME), Yea
44. Specter (R-PA), Yea
45. Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
46. Wyden (D-OR), Yea

[AVGWarhawk]

Seems to be a overwhelming number of Dems voting yes on this as well. In all reality, elite, they really do not know what to do with the illegals. In my reality, we need to stop the influx of more. Although illegals seemingly look to be a problem, this just did not crop up....it has been going ever since they started coming over the boarder decades ago. Only now are we taking a long hard look at it. It does not look good. So, do we just pack them all up on bus and drop them at the boarder or do we work with those already here, make them citizens and stop more influx? Probably, is the best route in my opinion.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

sounds simple... but.. what i dont understand is , border guards from arizona and texas are now in iraq covering the iran-iraq border , i mean how hard is it.. to go into southern california, arizona and southern texas, with the national guard or the police, then stop and question any hispanic person (yes it sounds racist and omg crazy dictator government) but it has to be done, if the states allocate a portion of their national guard and police to search and arrest illegals, put them on buses and send em back to mexico, everything becomes better.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

also here is Rudy Guiliani's concession speech

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=1

notice how he says Ron Paul won all the debates

and my favourite video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=1

[M. Sarsfield]

Seems to be a overwhelming number of Dems voting yes on this as well. In all reality, elite, they really do not know what to do with the illegals. In my reality, we need to stop the influx of more. Although illegals seemingly look to be a problem, this just did not crop up....it has been going ever since they started coming over the boarder decades ago. Only now are we taking a long hard look at it. It does not look good. So, do we just pack them all up on bus and drop them at the boarder or do we work with those already here, make them citizens and stop more influx? Probably, is the best route in my opinion.

Here in OK they passed an Immigration Reform Bill last year, which basically denies jobs and public benefits (minus emergency care) to illegal immigrants. It went into effect on Nov. 1 and the Mexican population all but disappeared into neighboring states that lacked said legislation. If you come down hard on the businesses that employ them, the immigrants won't show up any more and the ones that are here will go where they can find jobs.

We have seen a small trickle come back into Tulsa, but we have whole housing complexes in certain parts of town that are almost completely deserted since Nov. 1.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

M.Sarsfield, how is the crime in the area?? did it noticably go down??:hmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

sounds simple... but.. what i dont understand is , border guards from arizona and texas are now in iraq covering the iran-iraq border , i mean how hard is it.. to go into southern california, arizona and southern texas, with the national guard or the police, then stop and question any hispanic person (yes it sounds racist and omg crazy dictator government) but it has to be done, if the states allocate a portion of their national guard and police to search and arrest illegals, put them on buses and send em back to mexico, everything becomes better.

Logistically it is darn near impossible to round the illegals up. Lets put you in the shoes of an illegal, what would you do it the law was coming for you to send you south of the border? You would take off! So, to prevent what would take years (money, man hours) to accomplish because most will not come quietly, they voted for amnesty for those that are here, make the a full fledged member of this society and then they need to turn their attention to shutting down the boarders and providing a way for those wanting to immigrate to the US the proper channels to do so.

What I'm saying is, allowing amnesty to those here prevents major money spent, man power need to round up and high speed chases. The idea is to make the productive members of society. I will have you know, that illegals do pay taxes. ITIN or Individual Taxpayer Identifaction Numbers. So, it is not quite as bad as one thinks. Not only that, these illegals will enjoy the tax rebates forthcoming as a result. So, it is just not that easy to round them up and plop them over the fence as it were. I believe McCain voted this way as well as the others because they recognize the greater issues involved.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by M. Sarsfield

Here in OK they passed an Immigration Reform Bill last year, which basically denies jobs and public benefits (minus emergency care) to illegal immigrants. It went into effect on Nov. 1 and the Mexican population all but disappeared into neighboring states that lacked said legislation. If you come down hard on the businesses that employ them, the immigrants won't show up any more and the ones that are here will go where they can find jobs.

We have seen a small trickle come back into Tulsa, but we have whole housing complexes in certain parts of town that are almost completely deserted since Nov. 1.

Here is my only issue with that, OK basically sent it's problem to someone elses front porch. For this to be effective, all the states need to enact this reform. I do not see this happening.



We are getting a bit off track! Keep it on the campaign gents.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

the money spent would be offsetted when the cost of social security drops over 60%, the cost to fight crime made by illegal immigrants goes down, cost to healthcare

look up MS-13.. over 60% of the gang members are illegal immigrants.. and there are over 200,000 MS-13 gang members in the U.S

[bookworm_020]

John Edwards is out of the race

http://www.smh.com.au/news/us-electi...714086388.html

After Super Tuesday it might be known which Democrat will be running for the white house.

[Tchocky]

Sad to see Edwards out of it, although I'm pleased that his votes may transfer to Obama. how exactly the Edwards vote is split remains to be seen, but I see Edwards voters being closer to Obama than Clinton.

[Happy Times]

After watching this, i would put my money on him, a lot of money.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

some comedy to cheer everyone up :rotfl::rotfl: