Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[Rockstar]

Another step in the right direction.

Ukraine's Security and Defence Council recommends to Commander-in-Chief who should be appointed as military enlistment officers

STANISLAV POHORILOV — FRIDAY, 11 AUGUST 2023, 14:08

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/08/11/7415184/

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy chaired a meeting of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine (NSDC), which considered the inspection of territorial recruitment and social support centres and gave recommendations to Commander-in-Chief Valerii Zaluzhnyi to appoint combat officers to the positions of military enlistment officers.

Source: Press service of the Office of the President of Ukraine
Details: The heads of the State Bureau of Investigations (SBI), the Security Service of Ukraine (SSU) and the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, as well as the Prosecutor General, the head of the National Agency for Preventing Corruption of Ukraine (NAPC) and the head of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NACB) of Ukraine, have presented their reports.

It was reported that law enforcement officers found evidence of corruption, in particular during the general mobilisation campaign, when they inspected the territorial recruitment centres. These instances of corruption pose a threat to Ukraine’s national security and undermine trust in state institutions.
In connection with that, the NSDC has recommended that Valerii Zaluzhnyi, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, appoint the officers who directly participate in combat action as the heads of oblast territorial recruitment and social support centres on the recommendation of the chiefs of operational and tactical and operational and strategic groups of troops. These officers also have to be checked by the SSU first before being appointed.
The Prosecutor General’s Office, jointly with NAPC and SBI, were recommended to take additional measures to prevent corruption violations by the territorial recruitment and social support centre officials.

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A Ukrainian girl’s insight

I would like to tell you about viyskomat, because I often encounter questions.

There were warlords in the USSR. It was an office organization that forcibly recruited soldiers to serve in the army for 2 years. In theory, there should be taught to own weapons, train in case of war. However, in practice it turned into serving the needs of generals and other seniors. The soldiers simply went to the country to the commanders and worked for them in the fields and in construction for free. In addition, such an army was full of hazing - this is when those who serve longer mocked those who served less. Forced him to do all the work, often even physically abused, beat them for fun. And later the new ones did the same thing to the new ones and it continued without end. This is what service in the army looked like.

After the collapse of the USSR, these same viyskomat remained in Ukraine, Russia, Belarus and other countries of the former USSR, where no reforms were carried out. All the same employees remained working there, the same systems.

In Ukraine, under Yushchenko's presidency, the term of service was reduced to 1 year. In Russia, service in the army in general looked epic, because the Russian-occupied Dagestanis and Chechens, who were forced to serve in the Russian army, mocked the Russian soldiers. The Russian soldiers themselves put each other on the bottle in the sexual sense of the word. You can find a lot of videos about this on the Internet.

This was not the case in Ukraine - only abuse of those who served longer than those who served shorter, although the reduction of the service period greatly reduced these events. By the way, that is why now there are cases in the Ukrainian army when commanders who served in those days allow themselves to abuse their subordinates (this is about the last few scandals).

Well, in Ukraine, such commanders are imprisoned for this, and in Russia it is the standard and it is everywhere. I think you have also seen videos of Russian commanders abusing Russian soldiers even in modern warfare.

When Russia attacked Ukraine in 2014, viyskomat and its army could not protect Ukraine. I am sure that Russia would have captured half of Ukraine if it were not for the volunteers. Patriots voluntarily and independently organized themselves into battalions "Azov", "Right Sector", "OUN" and many others. It was they who were able to stop the Russians. They were the ones who scared the Russians so much that the Russians began to create short stories about them) There were so many volunteers that many of these battalions grew into whole regiments. By the way, I have a lot of friends who have been fighting since 2014 as volunteers, who have been defending Ukraine since the very day of the full-scale invasion, and by the way, they all avoided the mobilization conducted by viyskomat. I will not repeat all the bad things they said about this Soviet organization in Ukraine.

Mobilization now goes in two ways:

1 way is voluntary. The battalion announces the recruitment of applicants and recruits applicants very quickly. They often recruit more than necessary and create additional units.

2 way - mobilization against the will. According to the law, a person is served with a summons to appear for a medical examination at viyskomat. Moreover, there is a certain procedure for serving a summons. If it is violated, the subpoena is considered illegal. With the received summons, a person must pass a medical board, which will check his state of health, and if everything is in order, the person will be mobilized and sent to the army, where they will first train, and after training - to the front.

However, in practice, everything goes a little differently. Summonses are issued by illegal means. There are many cases of abduction, when a passer-by is forced into a car and taken to the medical board, processing him as if he came voluntarily, and not mobilized.

In the military itself, a person's state of health is not checked, but they immediately write that the person is fit (we have cases of deaths due to health conditions even during the training itself). Very often they are faced with the fact of extorting a bribe. Pay money - otherwise you will be suitable. If you are rich and completely healthy - after paying money you will receive the status of unfit for service in the army.

We have a lot of scandals with these events. That is why the heads of viyskomat have estates worth several million dollars, although their profits are small. According to polls, viyskomat is recognized as the most corrupt organization in Ukraine. They surpassed even the courts and officials. Due to their constant crimes and discrimination of the Ukrainian military, because they walk around dressed in Ukrainian military uniforms, Ukrainians are now at the level of rebellion. In addition, they also conflict with the Ukrainian military: they declare Ukrainian soldiers wanted, demand to return from the front, etc.

By the way, the situation is even worse in Russia. But why should we compare ourselves to those who are even worse? By the way, that's why we used to laugh at the video of mobilization in Russia, but now we don't laugh and don't even publish it, because we have the same thing and to replace them with Ukrainian military personnel who were wounded.However, no one obeys this order. In order to reduce the bad attitude of Ukrainians towards this organization, it was renamed Territorial Staffing Centers (TCC) and the renaming was called a reform.

I am a Ukrainian girl who thinks strategically. My family has been fighting at the front since the first days. Of course I want them to be brought home so there are enough people to replace them. But it should be done in adequate ways. Why, when volunteer sets are announced - they recruit the required number of people without problems, but viyskomat cannot recruit the required number of people? Why do viyskomat discredit the Ukrainian army? A foreigner who helps in Ukraine and sees someone being kidnapped on the street says that he does not see the difference between Ukraine and Russia and stops helping (I witnessed such an event).

Do you really want to defeat Russia by Russian methods? Do you not understand that precisely because of such methods Russia was unable to occupy Ukraine? Could there be a Russian saboteur working in the Ukrainian government whose task is to discredit the Ukrainian army or provoke a riot during the war with such orders for viyskomat? You will go through the Ukrainian Telegram channels, read the comments and see what people really think and what the mood is in society. You have to be careful here. Why can't volunteer sets be advertised for tasks that sound so cool that even those who avoided the draft want to sign up? Connect psychology, think strategically. A motivated soldier is much more useful than an unmotivated one. And you brought to the point that now most of the soldiers promise to return from the war to restore order in viyskomat...

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[Skybird]

Latest unwelcomed remarks by Col. Reisner. Google Webpage Translator triggers the paywall function, unfortunately. I only post the Geman link, therefor.



https://www.cicero.de/aussenpolitik/...benzin-loschen


Col. Markus Reisner is Commander of the Guards Battalion of the Austrian Armed Forces in Vienna. After the outbreak of the Ukraine War, the doctor of history became one of the most sought-after military analysts in German-speaking countries. Since 2017 he has been a member of the Military History Advisory Board of the Science Commission at the Austrian Federal Ministry of Defence.

What many do not understand from my point of view: We have a very serious situation and we still don't understand what this may mean, even for the next months and years. It does not help that the Russians are ridiculed, because that does not do justice to the character of the Russian soul. Of course, there may be events like October 1917, or like the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, or the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. Historians will then say later that this was completely clear. But now we don't have any indicators of that. On the contrary, we don't have any indicators that would make it more or less foreseeable. It seems to be a very consolidated situation. The "March of Justice" on Moscow was perceived as an opportunity only by us. When at noon of the said day not a single Russian military unit had changed sides and the population was also going about its daily business normally, it was clear: this was not going to be the revolution we had hoped for. Russian strategic culture is historically characterized by the fact that people rally around the tyrant in times of crisis, no matter how brutal he is. But for them, he is a guarantor of survival. This idea does not fit into our world view. That's why we reject it, shaking our heads.

[mapuc]

^ I think that is the problem we are thinking as west mentality, when we talk about the Russian mentality.

Markus

[Rockstar]

I’ll bet western planners in puzzle palace are not in the least interested in total defeat of Russia. Let the ‘ethnic’ Russians rally around their tyrant. In fact I hope they all go home and drink and dance around Putin til kingdom come.

I think the main objective is the destruction of the Russian economy, dissolution of the Russian federation, dismantling any significant influence over Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and of course Syria.

We have energy resources to exploit and pipelines to build baby. Expansion of U.S. hegemony into those areas is the goal Ukraine is just a stepping stone.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I’ll bet western planners in puzzle palace are not in the least interested in total defeat of Russia. Let the ‘ethnic’ Russians rally around their tyrant. In fact I hope they all go home and drink and dance around Putin til kingdom come.

I think the main objective is the destruction of the Russian economy, dissolution of the Russian federation, dismantling any significant influence over Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and of course Syria.

On that we are in total agreement

[Skybird]

Well, currently Russia spreads its influence and chaos in Africa more than less. And its hard to imagine that a countra that _depending on how you count - still does business with 40-60% of the global economy, can be isolated or cornered. Black swan events are possible, but its no strategy to count with them.

We are talking about the worlds leading grain exporter and one of the leading exporter of gas and oil and ressources and preproduction goods.

It will not work to talk Russia small. Americas al, y in thiy is Europe. EUROPE. Well. Expectations are dampened.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[Skybird]

The Germans are delaying the delivery of military supplies whenever they can. Scholz is only concerned with the beautiful appearance - his.


https://www-welt-de.translate.goog/p..._x_tr_pto=wapp


This list shows what Babble-Olaf personally promised Selenskyi earlier this year during a meeting of the two - and what really got delivered until July. Black numbers: promises. Green numbers: delivered. The souce for these numbers is the government itself.






The German delays imo are methodically and reflect a typical Bubble-Olaf pattern.

"The implementation of these measures decided by the federal government has been initiated," the Defense Ministry's website says in this regard. WELT has regularly archived the list, which is continuously updated, and thus reconstructed the progress of these deliveries. According to it, hardly any of them have been delivered in the past two months.

The amount of Marder, Iris-T, tankers and heavy-duty semitrailers that have arrived in Kiev since mid-May is zero. Among other things, Ukraine has received only ten Leopard-1 tanks (out of 110 promised), one air surveillance radar, twelve Cheetahs (out of 18), just 850 rounds of artillery ammunition (out of 26,350), and eight ambulances. The only promises that the federal government has fulfilled 100 percent are those of delivering 11,000 food rations, three drone sensors, and five metal bridges for the Beaver bridge-laying tank.
(...)
That the German government has been slow to deliver promised weapons is galling for Kiev. Even more unfortunate, however, is that pledges for weapons are also likely to be withdrawn. For example, since the early months of the war, 5032 anti-tank handheld weapons have been listed under the heading "in preparation/implementation." However, when the lists were updated on July 12, the item disappeared without being marked as delivered. An inquiry as to why the delivery commitment was withdrawn went unanswered by the Chancellor's Office at press time.

I have a feeling that these anti tank hand helds are not delivered becadsue the Bundes"wehr" does not have them. There are serious reports from earlier this year that the Bundes"wehr" stores enough ammo for less than two days of warfare.



I say that practically most of what the Germans report to NATO planners regarding their readiness levels and fullfillment of alliance obligations, is a lie. An extra brigade in Lithuania? Extra heavy divisions in three to four years? Forget it. Its the Germans, stupid. There is not the money, and there is not the manpower.

[Jimbuna]

^ Absolutely disgraceful

[Jimbuna]

[mapuc]

^^^
Then I was somehow right.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...&postcount=365

Markus

[Skybird]

I laughed when they wrote Prigozhin and Putler made a "deal". Putler never forgives disloyalty, and will seek revenge: Progozhin's death.