Next President of the United States - Page 27

AVGWarhawk · 10-23-08, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/...resident_s_job

If I remember correctly, Joe Biden got it wrong as well during his debate with Palin.

IFILL: Vice President Cheney's interpretation of the vice presidency?
BIDEN: Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we've had probably in American history. The idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.
And the primary role of the vice president of the United States of America is to support the president of the United States of America, give that president his or her best judgment when sought, and as vice president, to preside over the Senate, only in a time when in fact there's a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit.
The only authority the vice president has from the legislative standpoint is the vote, only when there is a tie vote. He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea he's part of the Legislative Branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive and look where it has gotten us. It has been very dangerous.

Even Joe said it is to preside of the Senate!!!:hmm: So is Joe a dumb twit also. For elementary school kids should Palin used 'PRESIDE" instead of "RUN"?

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AVGWarhawk · 10-23-08, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

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Originally Posted by Yahoo News

...Traditionally, the vice president appears in the Senate for ceremonial events and in case of a tie vote...

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Originally Posted by Joe Biden

...and as vice president, to preside over the Senate, only in a time when in fact there's a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit...

Am I missing something ?

Yes, Joe Biden was talking to adults...Palin was talking with elementary school kids. In short, it will be sugar coated for the kids. It still remains a mystery to both of them. As the article states, it was simplfied for a kid. Good Lord, Palin can not win for losing with the media.

August · 10-23-08, 11:19 AM

From Tchockys link (important part bolded):

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Traditionally, the vice president appears in the Senate for ceremonial events and in case of a tie vote. Although the vice president can preside over the Senate, vice presidents have left that day-to-day chore to senators themselves. In the past, each president has determined the role of the vice president in an administration.

There is no "use it or loose it" rule in the US constitution, so just because some previous VPs have allowed others to do their job for them it doesn't mean that this negates their constitutionally defined duties. Personally i'd love to see someone like Palin presiding over the Senate.

AVGWarhawk · 10-23-08, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

I don't understand. According to Yahoo news' definition, the statement you posted by Biden is correct so what's the problem ? The problem isn't in the choice of words, it's that Palin's statement implyed that the VP "running" or "presiding" the Senate is common business.

Apparently we both don't understand :rotfl:. Here it is. Biden pretty much said the same thing during the debates. But, Biden was talking to adults. This very lame report belittles the fact that Palin was talking with children and her definition would be sugar coated so not to completely lose the kids in a precise definition of a VP's role. It is common business if the VP so wishes to participate even if in a very limited role of just breaking a tie vote.

Again, this is just another media attack on Palin. NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN ATTACKED DURING A VP RUN LIKE PALIN SINCE 1988. It is sad and sickening. CNN has called her imcompetent and ignorant. This is the meda folks! They constantly attempt to do the 'gotch ya' game with her. You do not find this disturbing and over the edge? I find it amazing all the byes Obama receives from the media. Biden gets bye after bye. Biden just might want to stay quiet the next 11 days if he wants to win. He just might have another "flourish". The media is about ratings people....not fact finding. Palin makes good ratings just like good comedy for Saturday Night Live.

What next, she uses 2 ply toilet paper and it is not enviromentally sound to do so? I find is really bad the liberal media beat up McCain and his attack adds. Yet, they do nothing but beat up Palin all the time. No two sides to the street. Sad state of affairs.

Tchocky · 10-23-08, 11:44 AM

Actually there are more pressing environmental issues regarding Sarah Palin.

On the ignorance front

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Q: I’ve also heard you hint that you do think there might be some man-made causes that are contributing to this. Can you describe what those are?

PALIN: Right, well what I have said about this is really the debate at some point, had better shift to, no matter the cause, whether it all be attributed to man’s activities or just the natural cycle of climate changes in our earth’s history. We have seen this before.

AVGWarhawk · 10-23-08, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Actually there are more pressing environmental issues regarding Sarah Palin.

On the ignorance front

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Q: I’ve also heard you hint that you do think there might be some man-made causes that are contributing to this. Can you describe what those are?

PALIN: Right, well what I have said about this is really the debate at some point, had better shift to, no matter the cause, whether it all be attributed to man’s activities or just the natural cycle of climate changes in our earth’s history. We have seen this before.

We can cherry pick all day on skirting the questions. They all do it and all can be seen as ignorant. It all depends on how you want to look at it. McCain and Obama have danced around questions just like Palin. So, we can then say both of these gentlemen are ignorant as well or is it that she wears skirt and not pants? They all double talk or say absolutely nothing on some questions posed.

August · 10-23-08, 12:50 PM

I find it very revealing that the best the Dems can come up with are the wardrobe choices of the GoP vice presidential candidate.

AVGWarhawk · 10-23-08, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by August

I find it very revealing that the best the Dems can come up with are the wardrobe choices of the GoP vice presidential candidate.

Let face it, Palin has become fair game for all the media. No one has said anything. Dumb or not, no one deserves to be treated like that in the national spotlight. It is all fun and games for ratings. The media keeps toughting that American is tired of McCains attack ads yet Obama spent more on the media ads that attacked McCain and more than any runner ever spent. Just the media darling that brings ratings, viewership and more companies to run commercials during the breaks from the beatings. It has simply been amazing to watch the media pick their candidate and run with it.

Personally, I think we are screwed no matter who hits the white house. It was nice for the 4 major media outfits to do the picking for the country because they know what is best after all. Fair and unbiased reporting is dead.

All the crying about Obama bashing, including Powell. Were is the outrage for Palin and the bashing? Anyone have an answer for this?

Skybird · 10-23-08, 03:01 PM

Yes, it is all the bad media's and biased public's fault. What makes it especially unthankful an affair is that McCain and Palin always have played fair and honest, and never tried to badmouth this guy Obama to the public.

AVGWarhawk · 10-23-08, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Yes, it is all the bad media's and biased public's fault. What makes it especially unthankful an affair is that McCain and Palin always have played fair and honest, and never tried to badmouth this guy Obama to the public.

Obama did not need to bad mouth McCain or Palin, the media did it for him and continues to do so. It was part of the media donation to the Obama campaign

Skybird · 10-23-08, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Yes, it is all the bad media's and biased public's fault. What makes it especially unthankful an affair is that McCain and Palin always have played fair and honest, and never tried to badmouth this guy Obama to the public.

Obama did not need to bad mouth McCain or Palin, the media did it for him and continues to do so. It was part of the media donation to the Obama campaign

Yes, sure, if you say so. And while the evil lefty media did not do the same for Palin and McCain to discredit Obama, both took it upon themselves to take care of that and did the dirty job themselves - that's true statesmanship.

August · 10-23-08, 04:59 PM

Obama supporters becoming violent:

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/...56/detail.html

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Richard said the robber took $60 from the woman, then became angry when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the victim's car. The attacker then punched and kicked the victim, before using the knife to scratch the letter "B" into her face, Richard said.

Thomen · 10-23-08, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Obama supporters becoming violent:

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/...56/detail.html

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Richard said the robber took $60 from the woman, then became angry when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the victim's car. The attacker then punched and kicked the victim, before using the knife to scratch the letter "B" into her face, Richard said.

There are a couple of cars here in the area where I live that got vandalized because of a McCain bumper sticker. Have yet to see an 'Obama' car that got the same treatment.

This years election hysteria is just nuts )from both sides), from what I hear.

And WTH is up with this?
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...008-10-21.html

Torps · 10-23-08, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomen

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Originally Posted by August

Obama supporters becoming violent:

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/...56/detail.html

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Richard said the robber took $60 from the woman, then became angry when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the victim's car. The attacker then punched and kicked the victim, before using the knife to scratch the letter "B" into her face, Richard said.

There are a couple of cars here in the area where I live that got vandalized because of a McCain bumper sticker. Have yet to see an 'Obama' car that got the same treatment.

This years election hysteria is just nuts )from both sides), from what I hear.

And WTH is up with this?
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...008-10-21.html

I wont put any McCain stickers on my trunk even though thats who I support. But if you are in a "SAFE STATE" I have a website for ya

http://www.mccainpowell.com/

and my favorite

http://www.cafepress.com/obamawhizkid.267826393

Tchocky · 10-24-08, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by August

I find it very revealing that the best the Dems can come up with are the wardrobe choices of the GoP vice presidential candidate.

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Yeah, this is the only topic that's ever been discussed.

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,222 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I find it very revealing that the best the Dems can come up with are the wardrobe choices of the GoP vice presidential candidate. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,699 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Yes, it is all the bad media's and biased public's fault. What makes it especially unthankful an affair is that McCain and Palin always have played fair and honest, and never tried to badmouth this guy Obama to the public. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.