Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[Aktungbby]

The news came hours after Finland formally announced it was seeking to be part of the alliance.

Ya think!! With invasion resistant Norway on one side; and Invasion resistant Finland on the other aginst Hitler and Stalin respectively in WWII, Sweden cannot afford to look like a limp pickle on the world stage... meanwhile Vlad the rapist, pillaging, murderer really needed to shut down Russian cell phone service .... https://taskandpurpose.com/analysis/...-track-combat/

It’s been a nightmare scenario for U.S. commanders for years: An amphibious readiness group sails stealthily towards its objective, one reckless Marine or sailor goes topside and uses a personal cell phone to check Facebook, revealing the position of the assault ship. The Chinese or Russians quickly detect the cell phone signal in the middle of the ocean and realize they can’t miss. The enemy fires its anti-ship ballistic or cruise missiles at Pfc./Seaman Schmuckatelli as he posts a meme and suddenly the entire ship along with thousands of sailors and Marines are lying on the ocean floor.... “So, the Ukrainian special services automatically receive information with the ID number of the device, roaming number, and, of course, the location of the person,” Starosiek told Task & Purpose. “Fortunately, Russians are quite naive and ignorant about using mobile devices, so they often call home, turning on their phones and connecting to the Ukrainian stations.” The Russians have also given away their positions by stealing Ukrainian iPhones, which can be tracked using the Find My iPhone app, even when the phones are turned off, Starosiek said.

WW III rule 1: "Good 2 go" means "give em' up soldier"

[Jimbuna]

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

…[/I]on the world stage... meanwhile Vlad the rapist, pillaging, murderer really needed to shut down Russian cell phone service .... [U]

Yep. I’ve read reports how during WWII allied command posts were routinely targeted and shelled by German artillery with great accuracy. For the duration of the war they blamed it on spies or loose lips. Some allied soldiers were suspect and even got in serious trouble for it. After the war it was found the Germans had a fairly sophisticated mobile listening net which could quickly and accurately locate the origin of allied radio transmissions. Which lead to a devastating artillery barrage.

Several weeks ago I saw a map of Ukraine which displayed Russian troop concentrations based on cell phone transmissions. Probably thanks to Project Black Jack or Starlink.

[Jimbuna]

[mapuc]

I don't know which leg I should be standing on in this case.

Putin is about to get humiliated by the Ukrainians

A Danish general has said

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...postcount=3965

Expert use to be wrong too, but mostly they are correct

So should we go all in and humiliate him totally and face the risc of a nuclear war
Or
Should we let Russia keep these to Region in Ukraine.

The best scenario would have been Russia withdraw its troops and material from the Entire Ukraine.

But it looks like Putin rather wants to be humiliated and lose face than withdraw his troop and only lose face.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Putin's feelings be damned. We deal with him now, because if we don't, we deal with him again later.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I don't know which leg I should be standing on in this case.

Putin is about to get humiliated by the Ukrainians

A Danish general has said

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...postcount=3965

Expert use to be wrong too, but mostly they are correct

So should we go all in and humiliate him totally and face the risc of a nuclear war
Or
Should we let Russia keep these to Region in Ukraine.

The best scenario would have been Russia withdraw its troops and material from the Entire Ukraine.

But it looks like Putin rather wants to be humiliated and lose face than withdraw his troop and only lose face.

Markus

He wages wars of aggression and ruthlessly orders the destruction of entire cities. The West cannot compromise over crimes against humanity on this scale. On the contrary, Putin must be defeated. The only language he understands is the language of overwhelming strength.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I don't know which leg I should be standing on in this case.

Putin is about to get humiliated by the Ukrainians

A Danish general has said

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...postcount=3965

Expert use to be wrong too, but mostly they are correct

So should we go all in and humiliate him totally and face the risc of a nuclear war
Or
Should we let Russia keep these to Region in Ukraine.

The best scenario would have been Russia withdraw its troops and material from the Entire Ukraine.

But it looks like Putin rather wants to be humiliated and lose face than withdraw his troop and only lose face.

Markus

I’m sure it boils down to second languages. But as I tried to point out a few posts ago. I don’t agree that ‘we’ i.e. NATO, U.S., Ukraine, Finland, Sweden, Poland, France, Germany, etc, etc. are the ones humiliating Putin.

Putin and his inner circle of yes-men have single-handedly achieved being humiliated all by themselves, there is no one else too blame. If they don’t like being humiliated they can leave Ukraine, stop living in the past and work with rather than against their European neighbors.

[mapuc]

Thank you so much for your input on my latest post/comment.

You are right he and his inner circle has humiliated Putin them self.

He is the one who used aggression against an innocent country and should feel the consequences of this.

But I don't like the chance of a Nuclear war on the other hand I don't want Putin to win I want him to lose the entire Ukraine.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Nuclear war would definitely suck. But if that’s the route Russia wants to take and go nuclear, so be it, they started this. I would be the first to volunteer to push the button in retaliation and launch everything we had ensuring every goddamn thing they hold dear, culture, homes, husbands, wives, children, grand children, babies, dogs, cats, parrots, vodka, and their p.o.s. Lada would perish in one big f’in fireball.

Break out the hotdogs and marshmallows everyone.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

So should we go all in and humiliate him totally and face the risc of a nuclear war
Or
Should we let Russia keep these to Region in Ukraine.

The best scenario would have been Russia withdraw its troops and material from the Entire Ukraine.

We leave the decision of whether the Ukrainians keep their state territory or trade it for some untrustworthy "deal" with Russia to the Ukrainians, okay? Otherwise, we will behave like Stalin and Hitler, when they disposed of Ukraine as if it did not exist and was only booty for the interests of others.
These decisions can be made only by one: the Ukrainians, and them alone. And if they decide to fight, it is not for us to criticize them for it. We already have a lot of Russia-understanders who are scrupulously careful not to "provoke" Russia, and allow it to find face-saving solutions. As if provocation is needed to make Russia strike out! If they want to strike out, they will always, and construct from everything a provocation. This Russophile crap must finally come to an end. The war will end when the last Russian wearer of a uniform has left the territory of Ukraine, dead or alive. And now that Putin has escalated in February, that includes Crimea. If the Ukrainians are strong enough, they will take it back. We should do our part to make sure that they are sufficiently armed to do that and to see the war through, no matter how long it lasts. And if Putin threatens nuclear strikes, well, we can kindly remind him that three NATO member states also have substantial nuclear arsenals - and SLBM second-strike capability if the Western capitals and nuclear arsenals on land were taken out by a surprise attack.
And whether the Ukrainians risk suffering "small" tactical nuclear strikes on their territory is, again, entirely a Ukrainian decision. Not ours.

[Rockstar]

One other thing. Who says Putin and his inner circle of yes-men are humiliated? What do they care as they sit in their ivory towers surrounded by wealth, good food and hookers as press gangs even now continue to round up conscripts to die for a war they started?

[mapuc]

I stand corrected and bow in respect for the Ukrainians decision and not ours.

We should support Ukrainians goal to liberate the entire Ukraine(incl. Crimea)

We should also tell Putin with big words that he alone are responsible for the war and he alone is responsible for being humiliated by the Ukrainians.

So should there be a nuclear war then let it be so.

Markus