The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread - Page 26

Thomen · 01-27-10, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by trenken

Because I have over 2000 total hours logged on 3 games that use it, and it works great, thats why. How many hours do you have logged on it hmmm?

I already said im well aware it kills the modding community, but if it lets me get more SH games, maybe a dev tool I can buy to make my own stuff, maybe an expansion or 2, ill take it.

Eh.. no you don't.
There are different DRM schemes, and none of the games that you listed uses one that is similar to Ubi's.

karamazovnew · 01-27-10, 03:33 PM

Guys, chill out, the mods will be in. There might be a few issues with Save file formats that won't allow us to mod in other Uboats, but only if Ubi are really mean and implement a check-up system... SH3 Commander will also be completely out of the picture. You won't have mods however if 90% of the modders don't buy the game because of the DRM.

Now Trenken, to quote some other posts, we don't really want a sub game... we want a sub sim. We're a niche market and it's only appeal is the sim part. We have no doubt that SH5 will be a GAME just like SH3 and SH4. It's the community that managed to turn them into sims. If the community stops it's support for SH5, game over.... You clearly missed the point on DRM, this is completely unheard of so far and it's simply stupid. There is a game that does work like this: Rise of Flight. It's the perfect example of a good sim gone sour. If they let us play SP for free, many more would buy the game and play MP, buy their silly DLC planes and so on. As it is, this concept of DRM is a graveyard. Ubisoft is walking straight into the greatest blunder ever. EVER.

trenken · 01-27-10, 03:34 PM

""We do NOT limit the number of installs. We do NOT use online authentication or any other SecuROM functionality except for a disc check when you install the game and when you launch the game""

Lol @ the guy that posted this, because its when you look at the bold right there, that confirms exactly what happens when I launch FO3. If I pull that little internet cable out of my computer, I get a connection error when I try to launch the game.

Weird, right? Works just dandy as long as I keep that plugged in.

Thomen · 01-27-10, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by karamazovnew

Guys, chill out, the mods will be in. There might be a few issues with Save file formats that won't allow us to mod in other Uboats, but only if Ubi are really mean and implement a check-up system... SH3 Commander will also be completely out of the picture. You won't have mods however if 90% of the modders don't buy the game because of the DRM.

Now Trenken, to quote some other posts, we don't really want a sub game... we want a sub sim. We're a niche market and its only appeal is the sim part. We have no doubt that SH5 will be a GAME just like SH3 and SH4. It's the community that managed to turn them into sims. If the community stops it's support for SH5, game over.... You clearly missed the point on DRM, this is completely unheard of so far and it's simply stupid. There is a game that does work like this: Rise of Flight. It's the perfect example of a good sim gone sour. If they let us play SP for free, many more would buy the game and play MP, buy their silly DLC planes and so on. As it is, this concept of DRM is a graveyard. Ubisoft is walking straight into the greatest blunder ever. EVER.

^ This.

trenken · 01-27-10, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomen

Eh.. no you don't.
There are different DRM schemes, and none of the games that you listed uses one that is similar to Ubi's.

Go fire up Fallout 3 without an internet connection, smart guy. Tell me how that works out for you.

karamazovnew · 01-27-10, 03:36 PM

With the original CD IN?! Works bloody great for me.
WIth the CD OUT? it tells me to put in the CD. Oh wait... maybe you have the online version... heck, if you have such a good net, yeah, you can afford a DRM like this.

Thomen · 01-27-10, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by trenken

""We do NOT limit the number of installs. We do NOT use online authentication or any other SecuROM functionality except for a disc check when you install the game and when you launch the game""

Lol @ the guy that posted this, because its when you look at the bold right there, that confirms exactly what happens when I launch FO3. If I pull that little internet cable out of my computer, I get a connection error when I try to launch the game.

Weird, right? Works just dandy as long as I keep that plugged in.

I just can not resist..

Thomen · 01-27-10, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by trenken

Go fire up Fallout 3 without an internet connection, smart guy. Tell me how that works out for you.

Different DRM scheme. It does not require a constant connection to the server. Nice try, though.

karamazovnew · 01-27-10, 03:38 PM

Thomen, EPIC!

trenken · 01-27-10, 03:42 PM

Have to just quote this again for that guy so he can look even worse.

"We do NOT use online authentication or any other SecuROM functionality except for a disc check when you install the game and when you launch the game"

If I try and launch FO3 right now with no internet connection, game will not run. Same deal with SH5.

Sailor Steve · 01-27-10, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by trenken

Go fire up Fallout 3 without an internet connection, smart guy. Tell me how that works out for you.

I can't. I don't have internet on my computer. I don't want to play a Massive-Multi-Mish-Mash-Online either.

Why can't I just buy a game and play it on my computer, at my leisure?

tater · 01-27-10, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by trenken

Here's what im saying. We can all agree that sub sims arent exactly hugely popular correct? Well what does that mean? That their profit on these games must be fairly low, its certainly not high.

To support a game, build a great campaign, release updates and expansions, etc...you need money to get that done. Look at Halo as just 1 example, its a money making machine, and it receives constant patches, new maps, expansions, etc... all these popular games do these days.

What else does it do? Allows them to release their own dev tools to the community through the server which they could charge for, such as was done with Oblivion, another DRM game, this was done with Halo as well with The Forge, although it was free in that, shipped with it.

There are plenty of upsides to DRM, you're just not willing to see them for the simple fact that its different, and people hate change. Youll see soon enough it will all be fine.

This scheme kills play for many (halting when connection drops), and entirely kills modding since you can't play with a mod installed then have the game DL a patch and blow itself (and the mod) up.

Since modding is the ONLY WAY WE'LL EVER SEE REALISTIC CONTENT, this scheme is incompatible with the desire to play a realistic game EVER.

So again, you want an arcade game, I get it, but you will never see a realistic game under this nonsense. Not ever, since they either lack the resources or the desire to make one (the SH4 campaign was clearly a cut and paste job with zero research or attention to detail, so I assume it's the former, not the latter).

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DRM is a way for them to control what can be done with the game, which allows them to put out expansions and charge for them, release updates more easily... its done nothing but work out fine for every games ive played.

Except you listed games that use nothing at all like this ubi scheme.

bigboywooly · 01-27-10, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by trenken

Have to just quote this again for that guy so he can look even worse.

"We do NOT use online authentication or any other SecuROM functionality except for a disc check when you install the game and when you launch the game"

If I try and launch FO3 right now with no internet connection, game will not run. Same deal with SH5.

Not quite
With FO3 you can cut connection and drive off merrily playing
With SH5 you have to stay connected

Not the same then

KL-alfman · 01-27-10, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I can't. I don't have internet on my computer. I don't want to play a Massive-Multi-Mish-Mash-Online either.

Why can't I just buy a game and play it on my computer, at my leisure?

hmm, then I'm afraid to mention that you cannot take part in DRM's benefits!

trenken · 01-27-10, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I can't. I don't have internet on my computer. I don't want to play a Massive-Multi-Mish-Mash-Online either.

Why can't I just buy a game and play it on my computer, at my leisure?

Because, then you get people creating their own content and they dont see any money out of it. Its just the way it is, people forget that these are businesses, they need money to survive.

We're all adults here, you cant see things from their perspective as well? With DRM, it kills modding, and allows them to make some more money selling maybe a dev tool for the community which ive seen, and sell expansions. Its good for them and turns out to be good for us in the end as well.

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01-27-10, 03:33 PM	#377
karamazovnew The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,403 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	Guys, chill out, the mods will be in. There might be a few issues with Save file formats that won't allow us to mod in other Uboats, but only if Ubi are really mean and implement a check-up system... SH3 Commander will also be completely out of the picture. You won't have mods however if 90% of the modders don't buy the game because of the DRM. Now Trenken, to quote some other posts, we don't really want a sub game... we want a sub sim. We're a niche market and it's only appeal is the sim part. We have no doubt that SH5 will be a GAME just like SH3 and SH4. It's the community that managed to turn them into sims. If the community stops it's support for SH5, game over.... You clearly missed the point on DRM, this is completely unheard of so far and it's simply stupid. There is a game that does work like this: Rise of Flight. It's the perfect example of a good sim gone sour. If they let us play SP for free, many more would buy the game and play MP, buy their silly DLC planes and so on. As it is, this concept of DRM is a graveyard. Ubisoft is walking straight into the greatest blunder ever. EVER.

01-27-10, 03:34 PM	#378
trenken Samurai Navy Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 565 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	""We do NOT limit the number of installs. We do NOT use online authentication or any other SecuROM functionality except for a disc check when you install the game and when you launch the game"" Lol @ the guy that posted this, because its when you look at the bold right there, that confirms exactly what happens when I launch FO3. If I pull that little internet cable out of my computer, I get a connection error when I try to launch the game. Weird, right? Works just dandy as long as I keep that plugged in.

01-27-10, 03:36 PM	#381
karamazovnew The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,403 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	With the original CD IN?! Works bloody great for me. WIth the CD OUT? it tells me to put in the CD. Oh wait... maybe you have the online version... heck, if you have such a good net, yeah, you can afford a DRM like this.

01-27-10, 03:38 PM	#384
karamazovnew The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,403 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	Thomen, EPIC!

01-27-10, 03:42 PM	#385
trenken Samurai Navy Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 565 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Have to just quote this again for that guy so he can look even worse. "We do NOT use online authentication or any other SecuROM functionality except for a disc check when you install the game and when you launch the game" If I try and launch FO3 right now with no internet connection, game will not run. Same deal with SH5.