SUBSIM SH4 Patch 1.2 Bug & Discussion Thread - Page 26

leeclose · 04-27-07, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GnarPow

Well I found a nice juicy task force with a few flattops and cruisers so worrying about a CTD with my eyes on this I saved the game underwater. I sunk a flat-top and a destroyer but couldnt load torpedoes in time for another round so I decided to reload and see if I could do better.

Before the save I had a damaged deck gun and a damaged AA gun. Upon reload only the AA gun was damaged.

My real problem was that NEITHER periscope would go up. They both acted as if they were destroyed (i've had them get destroyed b4 and they dont work at all after that). Quite an issue being that I am in the middle of patrol and dont feel like restarting but it seems I must.

So my bug is Saving Underwater related, yet another one.

Periscopes do not work after saving underwater.

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Originally Posted by Beery

This is a feature. The developers decided that disabling the periscopes was the best way to punish cheating. I think this is a great feature

Um beery hows this cheating mate kinda threw me there or you just joking about? Looks liek yet another SNAFU with the game

GnarPow · 04-27-07, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Beery

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Originally Posted by GnarPow

I sunk a flat-top and a destroyer but couldnt load torpedoes in time for another round so I decided to reload and see if I could do better.

My real problem was that NEITHER periscope would go up. They both acted as if they were destroyed (i've had them get destroyed b4 and they dont work at all after that). Quite an issue being that I am in the middle of patrol and dont feel like restarting but it seems I must...

This is a feature. The developers decided that disabling the periscopes was the best way to punish cheating. I think this is a great feature.

I hope your kidding because I own a copy of this game. Either way EVERYTHING works BUT the periscopes, i just dont understand it... I call shenanigans on my scopes

Beery · 04-27-07, 11:06 PM

I was, of course, kidding.

Such a thing would only be a feature in a game I designed. I had nothing to do with this game's design, so this particular anti-cheat feature must be unintended.

To the 'How is it cheating' question: It's cheating because when you save before an attack and restart if the attack goes poorly that's like retaking a goal kick - it's about the most blatant form of cheating you can possibly get. Those who can't see it as cheating need to play some games in real life with real life opponents and see if their opponents allow them to retake kicks at goal after they miss: it ain't gonna happen.

If you retake a torpedo attack you're only cheating yourself, but it's still cheating even if the person you're cheating doesn't care. Games are tools that teach us how to be better in the game of life, but when we cheat we make the whole exercise useless. Why buy a game if you're going to force success? Part of what gaming is about is dealing with failure - if you don't accept all the results (good and bad) the whole process becomes meaningless.

U-4053 · 04-27-07, 11:50 PM

When ever a Jap plane gets close to my sub they can drop their bombs but then they crash into the Ocean next to my Sub.

GnarPow · 04-28-07, 01:34 AM

Deleted because it doesnt really matter :p

Irrelevant to this all, Sorry I let myself stoop to someone else's level.

Back to bugs kids

Beery · 04-28-07, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GnarPow

Thanks for the code of ethics there bub, I was so lost in life before this post.

Some folks take my posts waaaay too seriously. Anyway, if you feel that guilty about it you're taking the game too seriously too. Lighten up. The fact that I think you're cheating shouldn't have that much effect. I mean why do you care what I think?

Spectre-63 · 04-28-07, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GnarPow

Thanks for the code of ethics there bub, I was so lost in life before this post. This is actually one of the first times I actually got in sight of a decent task force and wanting to take another crack at it is part of the f'ing game. Sorry I had fun shooting at them and wanted to try it again to have more fun, apparently I broke beery's code of ethics. Dude Im a really nice guy but in the future answer the question or shut your f'ing mouth and dont try and shove your BS down my throat. I made a bug post about the situation behind my periscopes not working, I didnt do that to get some flak from the ethics police on "Why saving before attacking is ruining children in the world!"

I am sorry for this rant but there is some real self righteous people on here that need to get a clue that IT IS A GAME TO HAVE FUN

...and, God knows, the dripping sarcasm and the whole "shut your f'ing mouth" bit does wonders for proving your point 'bout being "a really nice guy", right?

fire-fox · 04-28-07, 04:14 AM

dont no if this is in here someware (probibly is) but after 1.2 dont think ive got an air contact from the SD set. ive been attact and i no the display is for the SJ but thay never pic the pleans up, only get air contacts from the deck watch.

and yes i have a fresh radar guy on the sets 24/7

GnarPow · 04-28-07, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Spectre-63

...and, God knows, the dripping sarcasm and the whole "shut your f'ing mouth" bit does wonders for proving your point 'bout being "a really nice guy", right?

Look at every one of my other posts and they are either on topic or telling someone how they did something well

.. Sorry I let dumass people get to me and sorry you even read that

AVGWarhawk · 04-28-07, 07:08 AM

Beery looks to have made a joke that just did not go off to well.

Ok, we will not steer him in the direction of being a comedian as a career. Back to the bugs

Beery · 04-28-07, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Beery looks to have made a joke that just did not go off to well.

It wasn't meant to be that funny. I seriously think restarting is cheating - the worst kind of cheating even - the kind where the player cheats himself of a fun game experience. I just figured I'd say it in a lighthearted way.

U-Bones · 04-28-07, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Beery

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Originally Posted by GnarPow

I sunk a flat-top and a destroyer but couldnt load torpedoes in time for another round so I decided to reload and see if I could do better.

My real problem was that NEITHER periscope would go up. They both acted as if they were destroyed (i've had them get destroyed b4 and they dont work at all after that). Quite an issue being that I am in the middle of patrol and dont feel like restarting but it seems I must...

This is a feature. The developers decided that disabling the periscopes was the best way to punish cheating. I think this is a great feature.

WOW. I can definately state that if it is a feature to turn the periscope off for copy protection, then the feature is buggy. I went through days of head scratching over this, and eventually refreshed the 1.1 files over my install. This corrected the issue, it has not resurfaced before or after patching to 1.2.

My DVD has NEVER left the drive since I installed the game, nor have I copied it, nor have I EVER run anything but the supplied SH4.exe

Bane · 04-28-07, 10:24 AM

In addition to #77 on the list:

This may be related. I press the Follow Nearest button, it doesn't light up but he does what he's told. I press it again so he'll go back to a normal sonar sweep, but he doesn't. He continues to follow the nearest contact.

As far as I can tell there's no way to stop follow nearest once you start it short of surfacing the boat.

Beery · 04-28-07, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by U-Bones

WOW. I can definately state that if it is a feature to turn the periscope off for copy protection, then the feature is buggy.

I was just joking - saying it was a feature to punish saving and restarting.

Sub Libertate Quietem · 04-28-07, 12:27 PM

Clean install of SH4, updated to v1.2: I was toward the end of my third patrol, and I had saved the game five times during the patrol. I lost all five. Game will not reload the saved files, but instead crashes to the desktop. I have had saved games refuse to load and crash me to the desktop in v1.2 multiple times. Normally, reverting to the previous saved file allowed me to at least salvage some of the feets my patrol. Losing the entire patrol is a real kick in the groin

! Morale: Zero! Fixing this problem is critical. Being able to save/load a game is a necessity when one does not have the free time to complete a patrol in one sitting.

Asus Crosshair MB
Windows XP Home (32 bit)
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3Ghz
4 Gb RAM
2x GeForce 7950 GT/KO SLI config

04-27-07, 11:06 PM	#378
Beery Admiral Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD, USA (but still a Yorkshireman at heart - tha can allus tell a Yorkshireman...) Posts: 2,497 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I was, of course, kidding. Such a thing would only be a feature in a game I designed. I had nothing to do with this game's design, so this particular anti-cheat feature must be unintended. To the 'How is it cheating' question: It's cheating because when you save before an attack and restart if the attack goes poorly that's like retaking a goal kick - it's about the most blatant form of cheating you can possibly get. Those who can't see it as cheating need to play some games in real life with real life opponents and see if their opponents allow them to retake kicks at goal after they miss: it ain't gonna happen. If you retake a torpedo attack you're only cheating yourself, but it's still cheating even if the person you're cheating doesn't care. Games are tools that teach us how to be better in the game of life, but when we cheat we make the whole exercise useless. Why buy a game if you're going to force success? Part of what gaming is about is dealing with failure - if you don't accept all the results (good and bad) the whole process becomes meaningless. __________________ "More mysterious. Yeah. I'll just try to think, 'Where the hell's the whiskey?'" - Bob Harris, Lost in Translation. "Anyrooad up, ah'll si thi" - Missen. Last edited by Beery; 04-27-07 at 11:22 PM.

04-27-07, 11:50 PM	#379
U-4053 Sparky Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Elko Nevada Posts: 158 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Jap Planes tumble from the sky and I didn't even fire a shot When ever a Jap plane gets close to my sub they can drop their bombs but then they crash into the Ocean next to my Sub. __________________ U-4053 Charlie Michael Elko Nevada U.S. SPD Retired silvrbak82@frontiernet.net

04-28-07, 01:34 AM	#380
GnarPow Gunner Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 96 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Deleted because it doesnt really matter :p Irrelevant to this all, Sorry I let myself stoop to someone else's level. Back to bugs kids Last edited by GnarPow; 04-28-07 at 06:41 AM.

04-28-07, 04:14 AM	#383
fire-fox Chief Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Peoples Republic of West Yorkshire Posts: 326 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	dont no if this is in here someware (probibly is) but after 1.2 dont think ive got an air contact from the SD set. ive been attact and i no the display is for the SJ but thay never pic the pleans up, only get air contacts from the deck watch. and yes i have a fresh radar guy on the sets 24/7 __________________ Running subs aground since SH1 and Silent Service Running SH5 @ 100% difficulty + TWoS 2.2.19(RealNav + BDU + port smoke + food) + Carotio_IntercontinentalRadioPack tweaked + The Little Ships of SH5 - Coaster Pack

04-28-07, 07:08 AM	#385
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,298 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Beery looks to have made a joke that just did not go off to well. Ok, we will not steer him in the direction of being a comedian as a career. Back to the bugs __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

04-28-07, 10:24 AM	#388
Bane Torpedoman Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 119 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	In addition to #77 on the list: This may be related. I press the Follow Nearest button, it doesn't light up but he does what he's told. I press it again so he'll go back to a normal sonar sweep, but he doesn't. He continues to follow the nearest contact. As far as I can tell there's no way to stop follow nearest once you start it short of surfacing the boat.

04-28-07, 12:27 PM	#390
Sub Libertate Quietem Nub Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Saved Games Lost Clean install of SH4, updated to v1.2: I was toward the end of my third patrol, and I had saved the game five times during the patrol. I lost all five. Game will not reload the saved files, but instead crashes to the desktop. I have had saved games refuse to load and crash me to the desktop in v1.2 multiple times. Normally, reverting to the previous saved file allowed me to at least salvage some of the feets my patrol. Losing the entire patrol is a real kick in the groin ! Morale: Zero! Fixing this problem is critical. Being able to save/load a game is a necessity when one does not have the free time to complete a patrol in one sitting. Asus Crosshair MB Windows XP Home (32 bit) AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3Ghz 4 Gb RAM 2x GeForce 7950 GT/KO SLI config