Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Western supply will not last forever, no matter what they say. You wrote "the war now found Russia", well, next year the US election circus will find Ukraine. It could easily wreak worse havoc on Ukraine.

I think we all by now have seen and heard Biden's "We are with you all the way until the end"

For me it can mean a lot- As it says all the way. Could also mean until we see fit.

It's the words "until the End" who is the important point here.

Markus

[Skybird]

What Biden says he now wants, is one thing. What he still will be able to do, soon will be a different thing.

[Rockstar]

Meh I wouldn’t worry too much about losing support. As Chuck Schumer said back in 2017 “Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,”

And our so-called investigative journalists who are supposed to call out government abuse and corruption just went along with it.

[mapuc]

Just seen an issue where some Ukrainian officer ask for more modern Helicopters.

They are more robust and a lot better than our old Russian type, he said.

Was he thinking about the attack helicopters if so, how long does it take to train in flying these ?

I'm thinking on Apache and Kiowa and others.

Markus

[August]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Just seen an issue where some Ukrainian officer ask for more modern Helicopters.

They are more robust and a lot better than our old Russian type, he said.

Was he thinking about the attack helicopters if so, how long does it take to train in flying these ?

I'm thinking on Apache and Kiowa and others.

Markus

US Army flight training for non flyers is 32 weeks but with already trained helicopter pilots I think you'd be talking about a couple of weeks or so.

[Skybird]

According to media reports, the German government is considering how Germany can supply Ukraine with Taurus cruise missiles from Bundeswehr stocks in the coming months. According to the news magazine "Spiegel", talks are underway between the Ministry of Defense and the arms industry. The online portal "t-online" had also reported, with reference to SPD circles, that a decision "in the near future" was probably imminent.

According to "Spiegel", the house of Minister Boris Pistorius (SPD) had asked the Taurus manufacturer to integrate a limitation for target programming into the cruise missiles.

[Die Welt]

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Just seen an issue where some Ukrainian officer ask for more modern Helicopters.

They are more robust and a lot better than our old Russian type, he said.

Was he thinking about the attack helicopters if so, how long does it take to train in flying these ?

I'm thinking on Apache and Kiowa and others.

Markus

Like the F-16’s I don’t believe the hold up is so much about what it takes to train and operate western rotary wing aircraft. I think the biggest hurdle is finding Ukrainian pilots who are not security risks but who are true Ukrainian patriots. Last thing we want to see is one of our F-16’s or helicopters skipping town for an airbase in Russia. That would be a major blow to public relations, something like that could really start people questioning our support. Let’s face it, Soviet style corruption and Russian sympathies in Ukraine is still a problem for Zelensky. Though I think he’s doing a good job weeding out undesirables he’s still got a ways to go.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Like the F-16’s I don’t believe the hold up is so much about what it takes to train and operate western jets rotary wing aircraft. I think the biggest hurdle is finding Ukrainian pilots who are true Ukrainian patriots and not a security risk. Last thing we want to see is one of our F-16’s or helicopters skipping town for an airbase in Russia. Let’s face it Soviet style corruption and Russian sympathies in Ukraine is still a problem for Zelensky. Though I think he’s doing a good job weeding out undesirables he’s still got a ways to go.

I never gave that a thought I was more thinking in terms of language barrier
and advanced technical stuff unknown for the Ukrainian pilots.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I never gave that a thought I was more thinking in terms of language barrier
and advanced technical stuff unknown for the Ukrainian pilots.

Markus

I’m sure Ukrainian pilots are highly intelligent and could fly whatever we gave them. Just gotta pass that background check first before you can fly.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I’m sure Ukrainian pilots are highly intelligent and could fly whatever we gave them. Just gotta pass that background check first before you can fly.

This is why they only found 32-something who can be trained in flying our
F-16s

Secondly Just heard that Ukraine have created an humanitarian corridor in the Black sea Going from some of the Ukrainian harbour to this strait in Turkey.
The merchant will be protected by the Ukrainian navy and Turkish navy(They didn't mention it, but I don't think Russia would dare to attack a civilian vessel while in Turkish water.)
(if I got it right)

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

This is why they only found 32-something who can be trained in flying our
F-16s

Yep, it can sometimes take up to 8 months or more for our pilots background checks to clear. Feds want to know everything about them and everyone they ever knew in life and the feds will visit each and every one of them to ask what they think of you. That takes a lot of time.

Secondly Just heard that Ukraine have created an humanitarian corridor in the Black sea Going from some of the Ukrainian harbour to this strait in Turkey.
The merchant will be protected by the Ukrainian navy and Turkish navy(They didn't mention it, but I don't think Russia would dare to attack a civilian vessel while in Turkish water.)
(if I got it right)

Not openly, but maybe by clandestine ops they would. Apparently there’s been a rash of grain elevators in Turkey, France and Ukraine catching fire.

[Skybird]

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/04/p...ine/index.html

Most Americans oppose Congress authorizing additional funding to support Ukraine in its war with Russia, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, as the public splits over whether the US has already done enough to assist Ukraine.
Overall, 55% say the US Congress should not authorize additional funding to support Ukraine vs. 45% who say Congress should authorize such funding. And 51% say that the US has already done enough to help Ukraine while 48% say it should do more. A poll conducted in the early days of the Russian invasion in late February 2022 found 62% who felt the US should have been doing more.
Partisan divisions have widened since that poll, too, with most Democrats and Republicans now on opposing sides of questions on the US role in Ukraine.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

Here we have yet more evidence of the terrorist state waging war on civilians.

A civilian hotel that has been used by UN staff previously.

[mapuc]

Markus