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Old 12-14-13, 12:25 PM   #361
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Nice one. Are you going to leave the prop blades off as if it's running?
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Old 12-14-13, 12:37 PM   #362
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No. That's one concession I tend to make toward unreality. Some players have experimented in the past with clear plastic discs with lines drawn on them to look like the prop is spinning, and someone sometime actually made a decal for just that purpose, with just a few faint lines. I like the props too much, so I always put them on. Of course some get broken off, and then I tend to break off the other side. This is especially true of WW2. On the other hand I'm proud of my Seafire Mk47 with a working contraprop.
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Steve, what costing models to build with all materials included?
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Old 12-14-13, 01:16 PM   #364
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I see someone that will have some time on their hands. Once down that path you'll be hooked like the dark side after a Jedi.

Making is fun and rewarding. See the video of Adam Savage near the bottom of this site.
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Stick to diecast...far easier.
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To each our own. I find the building more rewarding than the having.
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Old 12-14-13, 04:04 PM   #367
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Steve, what costing models to build with all materials included?
I've paid as little as $4 for a plastic kit online, and as much as $40. I don't usually count the extras, but superglue is around $6 for a bottle, and that lasts me a year or more. Paint is around $3 a bottle these days, and that will last a very long time. Overall it's not expensive at all, though I have been looking online at some models that cost $200 or more.

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I have a favorite quote that Vendor will understand well. I put it on the 'Quotes' page, but left off the background. Long ago I read a short piece in Readers' Digest that went something like:

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I took a sailing class not long ago. As we all sat down in the classroom the instructor told us to read the message he had written on the board. If we understood it, great. If not, he said just tell him and he would cheerfully refund all the fee for the class, no questions asked, no harm, no foul. When we looked at the board, all he had written was:

"I can teach a man how to sail. I can't teach him why."
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Old 12-14-13, 04:26 PM   #368
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^Very good, thank you!
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Old 12-15-13, 01:48 AM   #369
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It's done: The Albatros C.III. The serial represents one of the second batch - 200 aircraft, and the last group ordered in 1915. I did an early one because, as I mentioned earlier, I ended up with two kits. That leaves this one representing one of the early camoflage attempts and not yet having the synchonized forward gun for the pilot.



One thing no book I've yet looked at mentions is the changes to the rigging over time. I don't see how the experts could have missed it, so I have to assume they didn't consider it important enough to mention. The first examples don't appear to have had the forward bracing wire running from the nose to the wing spar. In the early planes that do have it, it runs from the bottom metal nose panel to the bottom of the inboard forward strut. Later versions have it run from the nose panel to the top of the inboard rear strut, the same as appears on the earlier Albatros B.II.

Second is the upper inboard bracing wires. On the prototype they run from the top of the cabane to the bottom of the inboard struts. On production models they run not to the top of the cabane, but to the bottom - that is, they start where the cabane joins the fuselage.

Third is the lower inboard bracing wires, which run from the landing gear struts to the upper inboard struts. On some early models those wires cross each other - front to rear and rear to front. That is represented on this model. Later they all seem to run straight - front to front and rear to rear.

I have no idea why this was done. I only know that I've looked at a great many photographs and can attest that it is so.

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Right Side Close-Up


I have one photograph that shows a serial number with the tiny "III" inside the large "C", and thought it was too cool to pass up. The number itself represents one of that batch of 200 planes, numbered 4000/15 to 4199/15.

I promised that I would explain the "backward" camoflage. Idflieg (Inspektion der Fliegertruppen, or Inspectorate of Flying Corps) said in 1915 that they desired some sort of "sky" camoflage. White was tried, as was overall light grey. A very light blue was also tried. At first the blue was painted on all upper and side surfaces of the aircraft. This meant that an enemy fighter looking down from above would see a blue airplane framed against the green and brown earth. Anyone looking up from below would see the blue sky with a brown and yellow airplane. Like I said - backward. Later they painted all the side and lower surfaces blue and the top deck and upper wings grey. Later still, when true camoflage came into use, the pale blue was kept for all undersides.

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When I built the Albatros C.I I noted the weird things they did with the crosses - top wing white patch not reaching the trailing edge and fuselage cross having a different shape than the others. It's not mentioned in the books, but photos clearly show that this was not a one-off experiment but several C.IIIs have the same application of markings.

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Old 12-15-13, 06:27 AM   #371
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Another great addition to your air wing

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Next project: Aviatik C.I. To my surprise no one makes a kit of this aircraft. I found listings for an 'Aviatik C.I' from three different manufacturers online, but when I checked the individual sites I found that they were all the Aviatik (Berg) C.I, which was an Austro-Hungarian two-seater which came out more than a year later and looks very little like the 1915 German version.

I lucked out when I took a look through my recently-purchased copy of Harleyford's Reconnaissance and Bomber Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War. The technical drawings showed that the two shared an identical fuselage. The Austrian B.II had longer wings, so it's easy to cut them down rather than have to build them up. The rudder and elevators are a different shape, but that's easy to modify.

I lucked out again when I found another of the Joystick B.II kits for a good price. The finished product will be quite a bit different, but the bagged kit is identical to the one I did back in August.

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Old 12-15-13, 12:40 PM   #373
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Next project: Aviatik C.I.
I notice on the cover below the name it says 'For experienced modellers'.

I guess dats you.

The last one was a beauty. Enjoy this thread very much.
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Old 12-15-13, 10:24 PM   #374
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First step was to cut out the fuselage halves and sand them to fit. Then came the floorboard and internal panels and then the seats. One of the requirements for the C-class two-seaters was that they have a minimum of 150 horsepower. The Albatros C.I I built awhile ago came with both the 150hp Benz and 160hp Mercedes engines. The particular plane I built had the Benz engine so I just happened to have a nice little model of a 160hp Mercedes D.III engine in my spares box. It is noticably larger than the 120hp engine that comes with the 'B' models. It took a little digging and scraping to make it fit, but it was worth it.

The interior is done and ready for assembly.
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Old 12-17-13, 04:43 PM   #375
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Took yesterday off to assemble the bookcase I bought three months ago, and empty out the last of my boxes of books. Only four boxes to go, and they are all "stuff" - random items that need to be sorted.

Fuselage assembled and lower wings mounted. This was easy because those parts are identical between the German and Austrian versions. The only time-consuming part was the sanding that always goes along with a vac kit.






[edit] I had hoped that I could just cut down the stabilizer/elevator and give it the proper shape, but it turns out the German stabilizer was larger than the Austrian. Lucky for me I keep a supply of plastic sheet on hand for things like this, not to mention three-view drawings of both. A little measuring, drawing, cutting and sanding and I have a whole new tail assembly.

Austrian (top) and German tails.

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