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06-02-13, 06:15 AM | #3601 | ||||||
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This normal, like normal was navigation errors in 60-200 sea miles between observations. And few time read, that between star observations was 3 week. And this 3 weeks was fog and low clouds with rain. |
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06-02-13, 07:22 AM | #3602 |
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Mow we have heard opinions on both sides. Interesting, but opinion is not evidence. Can anyone provide citations (published first-person accounts, contemporary training manuals, or similar primary sources) to support or contradict any of these points? Then we will be closer to the truth.
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06-02-13, 07:40 AM | #3603 | |
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I made chronick submarine attack http://sovpl.forum24.ru/?1-3-0-00000...0-0-1244279283 and so read many many documents from submarines about detail their war patrols. If you wish truth so you need read war patrol logs submarines during WWI and WWII and other war patrols. After you read near 10000 or more patrol reports you can know total picture submarine war, but every submarine you can not remember in detail. So you head not rubber. |
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06-02-13, 08:05 AM | #3604 |
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All these points have been discussed many times without definite conclusions (just go through the 3000+ posts in this thread).
But thanks to H.Sie's great work, you have a choice: don't use the mod, deactivate the feature you don't like, or tune the paramters to reflect your 'interpretation' of reality. It's all up to you. Regards, LGN1 PS: If you read the manual carefully you will see that hull leaks are not influenced at all. Actually, that is the great advantage over the old longer-repair times mod. |
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06-02-13, 10:59 AM | #3606 | ||
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And, of course, there is no requirement to read threads which do not interest you. What is the advantage in cutting off an open discussion? |
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06-02-13, 12:26 PM | #3607 |
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Hi BigWalleye,
sorry if my posts sounded rude. It was not my intention. I'm more than open to see new data/information and I do not want to cut off any discussion. However, I do not want to go through all the OLD arguments again, i.e., I would like to see new sources,... and not just opinions. If it's about opinions, everyone can have his own and choose the parameters accordingly. That's why the parameters are accessible And starting a discussion with "Read this topic, but not wish d/l this mod total so:" (with obviously not reading the old discussions/arguments why some things are how they are) does not really sound like if one is interested in a good open discussion. Up to now I have not seen a single, original document. Regards, LGN1 And BTW, the opening statement is extremely disrespectful to H.Sie who spent an incredible amount of his time to produce this mod and gave us the option to choose and adjust it to our likings. How many other mods give players the choice? |
06-02-13, 12:39 PM | #3608 |
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Yeah, I'm hopeful we can get a constructive discussion going.
And BTW, I agree that the tunability of h.sie's patches is one of the factors that makes them so exceptional. It's hard to find fault with his decisions when you can adjust them quantitatively to suit your personal preferences or historical interpretation. Last edited by BigWalleye; 06-02-13 at 01:00 PM. |
06-02-13, 02:04 PM | #3609 | |
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even if you´d be right with all your critics, i counted only 7 points. 7 points out of 23 (regardless of that easy 4GB patch switch) don´t suffice imho for that devastating verdict. Btw, h.sie repeated again and again, that he wasn´t a submarine expert, he always asked for advice, experiences and knowledgment of others which were more familiar with that item and then he tried to find a solution with those tools he owned - as a programmer. E.g. to respond on one single point: Quote:
So, if the depth setting was wrong, the torpedo got a - dude. |
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06-02-13, 02:25 PM | #3610 |
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In another point you seem to be right: I reread the german wikipedia article about vibrations of the periscopes (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXI#Sehrohre):
There is said, that only the new extended attack periscope had that vibration problem at 5Knots and more. Obviously, the older attack periscopes type StaSR C/2 had that problem only at 8,5kn and beyond, a velocity which couldn´t be achieved by the old u-boats. Therefore it was replaced again with the older, established periscope. The night observation periscope got a enhanced guiding, which led to no vibration until 8kn. So what about changing that vibration value in h.sie´s ini to 8knots? This should simulate that effect AND using the periscope with typII, VII, or IX boats should be possible without disturbances. |
06-02-13, 05:31 PM | #3611 |
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here is the promised video to show you can patch the steam version and works
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06-02-13, 06:38 PM | #3612 |
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"This video is private. Sorry about that."
Could you make it public access? Thanks. Last edited by BigWalleye; 06-02-13 at 07:11 PM. |
06-02-13, 07:37 PM | #3613 |
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woops fixed
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06-02-13, 10:35 PM | #3614 | |
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In my opinion good and interesting discussion must be with people who have data about 100000 submarine attacks (+/-), but other people with this information is abscent total. Discussion with other peoples would be like with you. You not know so data and say, that you need original documents instead himself find this document. I understand, that you wish read original documents about attacks and say you, that you need himself read submarine patrol logs from varios countryes. But you not made this. If you not wish read orginal documents, so when I can say you information. If you wish, that I place this documents, so not. So orginal documents abourt US submarines, for example, have size near 80 Gb. So i can not u/l this documents. I see that you made good (total) mod and thank you for this, but my opinion I write before. Sorry with my open opinion about you words that I not wish open discussion. May be you not glad read that I write now. So sorry. |
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For example attacks U-47 in Norvegian campain: 15.04 22.42 from surface launch 4 torpedoes against 4 transports. 4 hits and 4 duds. 16.04 01.36 from surface launch 4 torpedoes against 4 transports. 4 hits and 4 duds. 19.04 15.53 from submerged launch 2 torpedoes against battleship "Warspite". 1 hit and dud and 1 premature explosion. and U-48 in Norvegian campaign: 11.04 12.30 from submerged launch 3 torpedoes agains cruiser "Berwick". Missed. 11.04 21.15 from surface launch 3 torpedoes aganst cruiser "York". Missed. 14.04 10.35 from submarged lauch 1 torpedo against battleship "Warspite". Missed. 15.04 00.25 from surface launch 3 torpedoes against destroyer. Missed. 15.04 00.48 from surface launch 1 torpedo against destroyer. Missed. As you see no one faulty attack was not from errors depth in torpedoes. And so picture in near all other german submarine. |
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