US Politics Thread 2016-2020 - Page 233

Sailor Steve · 07-31-17, 10:59 AM

Yes, I am a rivet counter. On the other hand, when someone tries to use a particular subject to make a point, how does it help his point if he doesn't actually know the subject?

August · 07-31-17, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Yes, I am a rivet counter. On the other hand, when someone tries to use a particular subject to make a point, how does it help his point if he doesn't actually know the subject?

My point is maybe he does know the subject but wouldn't use some obscure alternate spelling of a popular historical figure when he's addressing a broad audience.

If you really want to be accurate how come you're using the English version of Ἡρακλῆς? hmmmm? Do you really know your subject if you can't read and write ancient Greek?

Rockstar · 07-31-17, 11:28 AM

Once I realized the subject presented in the article had nothing to do with Greak or Rowman mythology. It turned out to be just another opinion about the current state of U.S. politics and a fairly decent one at that.

August · 07-31-17, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Once I realized the argument presented in the article had nothing to do with Greak or Rowman mythology. It turned out to be just another opinion about the current state of U.S. politics and a fairly decent one at that.

I thought so too...

Catfish · 07-31-17, 02:55 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/u...ite-house.html

Platapus · 07-31-17, 03:01 PM

As with most legal questions concerning the US, it depends on the state.

Maine and Vermont allow Felons still serving their sentences in prison to vote.

In other states, the rules about felons voting also depends on the state.

Some states Felons permanently lose their rights to vote
Some states a Felon can vote after serving their sentence
Some states prohibit Felons from voting unless their voting rights have been restored by the governor.

A good reference site is http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.r...ourceID=000286

People serving misdemeanor sentences in Jail can still vote using an absentee ballot.

As for registering the homeless to vote, it also depends on the state. My state has methods for registering homeless citizens for example.

Skybird · 07-31-17, 05:00 PM

Scaramucci got donaldized after just ten days.

I admit I have became addicted to the White House daily soap - the first US sitcom that indeed can squeeze laughter out of me. Usually I just stare in disbelief at these sit"coms".

u crank · 07-31-17, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Scaramucci got donaldized ......

On Chief of Staff John Kelly's first day on the job. I like this guy.

vienna · 07-31-17, 05:43 PM

It was amusing to hear Scaramucci was "escorted" out of the White House, not unlike so many other people in the general workplace who re given the boot; I wonder if they're going to revoke his security clearance, also; there is a long history of the White House, regardless of the party in power, being loathe to revoke clearances because it is seen by some as the ultimate insult or comedown to lose clearances; this is why you often see ex-politicos or retired high ranking military officers still holding on to clearances long after they have ceased to really have a need for them...

Well, at least the White House has an actual adult in a position of authority and a Marine General, to boot; it is a bit ironic, since Trump had loudly proclaimed during his campaign that he knew more and better than the generals; now, if they can finally get a real adult in the Oval Office instead of that overgrown whiny brat, maybe the country can get on with real business...

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STEED · 07-31-17, 05:54 PM

Scaramucci struck me as a person who would head for a fall, what took me back how fast it was.

Skybird · 07-31-17, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by u crank

On Chief of Staff John Kelly's first day on the job. I like this guy.

Lets see. He is said to do good job, but he wills to work for an all time low like the Donald, and that speaks against him. A man gets not just measured by his loyalty, but also by his choice of to whom or what he stays loyal to. Willing to work for the Donald, is a stigma.

I would have preferred hom to make an appearnce in the next administration coming after the Donald, when I read the media'S coverage of his biography. Apparently a good man - wasted on a bad man.

And so far the Donald has introduced all his personell choices as "grrreat" and that they will do a "tremendous" job. And then he started to twitter...

Most posts in the administration still have not found new names, btw. I read that thousands of offices and seats are still unmanned, half a year later. And "good names" boycott this adminsitration, I also read. Does the Donald plan to ever be "complete"? Russia. Syria. North Korea.

Many intrigues in the WH, no diubt. But Kelly's biggest opponent is the Donald himself. Himmelsfahrtskommando.

u crank · 07-31-17, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Lets see. He is said to do good job, but he wills to work for an all time low like the Donald, and that speaks against him. A man gets not just measured by his loyalty, but also by his choice of to whom or what he stays loyal to. Willing to work for the Donald, is a stigma.

From what I've read, Kelly's attraction to Trump is more about policy than personality. It will be interesting to see how he does.

Sailor Steve · 07-31-17, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by August

I thought so too...

As did I. You might have noticed that I agreed with him before saying that. It was less straw man and more tease.

Skybird · 07-31-17, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by u crank

From what I've read, Kelly's attraction to Trump is more about policy than personality. It will be interesting to see how he does.

Who - the Donald? You are right. Kelly's performance will completely depend on the Donald's temper and self control. And of both we have gotten enough taste now to know what to expect: more of the same.

Rumour holds it that Tillerson and two or three others are close to voluntarily throwing the towel and leaving the Donaldinarium.

vienna · 07-31-17, 09:04 PM

Trump desperately needs Kelly, if only to show he is at least trying to have some degree of sanity in the West Wing; that sanity is definitely not forthcoming from Trump, himself. One thought occurred to me: is Kelly laying the groundwork for a transition to a new President? By any measure, Kelly is one person any President would want to have on his staff, but he is not a blind loyalist, as Trump so often exhibits his need to have; is Kelly actually going to be acting to restore order, not to shore up Trump's flailing and failing tenure, but, rather, to create a stable organizational structure for the new Oval Office resident?; it has been noted in news articles that Kelly is not at all enamored of Trump's "style" but does have a liking for the general policies; so, Kelly can right the ship, the Special Counsel and the Congress can oust Trump and a smooth, sane, transition can occur. Far fetched? Not if it is noted the Washington Post has just reported Trump personally dictated Junior's statement, which was an outright lie, about Jr.'s meeting with the Russians:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.d7f85b660958

More fuel for an obstruction of justice charge? Maybe...

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07-31-17, 10:59 AM	#3481
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Yes, I am a rivet counter. On the other hand, when someone tries to use a particular subject to make a point, how does it help his point if he doesn't actually know the subject? __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

07-31-17, 11:28 AM	#3483
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,932 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Once I realized the subject presented in the article had nothing to do with Greak or Rowman mythology. It turned out to be just another opinion about the current state of U.S. politics and a fairly decent one at that. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

07-31-17, 02:55 PM	#3485
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,904 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/u...ite-house.html __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

07-31-17, 03:01 PM	#3486
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18,983 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	As with most legal questions concerning the US, it depends on the state. Maine and Vermont allow Felons still serving their sentences in prison to vote. In other states, the rules about felons voting also depends on the state. Some states Felons permanently lose their rights to vote Some states a Felon can vote after serving their sentence Some states prohibit Felons from voting unless their voting rights have been restored by the governor. A good reference site is http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.r...ourceID=000286 People serving misdemeanor sentences in Jail can still vote using an absentee ballot. As for registering the homeless to vote, it also depends on the state. My state has methods for registering homeless citizens for example. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

07-31-17, 05:00 PM	#3487
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,632 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Scaramucci got donaldized after just ten days. I admit I have became addicted to the White House daily soap - the first US sitcom that indeed can squeeze laughter out of me. Usually I just stare in disbelief at these sit"coms". __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-31-17, 05:43 PM	#3489
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,521 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	It was amusing to hear Scaramucci was "escorted" out of the White House, not unlike so many other people in the general workplace who re given the boot; I wonder if they're going to revoke his security clearance, also; there is a long history of the White House, regardless of the party in power, being loathe to revoke clearances because it is seen by some as the ultimate insult or comedown to lose clearances; this is why you often see ex-politicos or retired high ranking military officers still holding on to clearances long after they have ceased to really have a need for them... Well, at least the White House has an actual adult in a position of authority and a Marine General, to boot; it is a bit ironic, since Trump had loudly proclaimed during his campaign that he knew more and better than the generals; now, if they can finally get a real adult in the Oval Office instead of that overgrown whiny brat, maybe the country can get on with real business... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

07-31-17, 05:54 PM	#3490
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Scaramucci struck me as a person who would head for a fall, what took me back how fast it was. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

07-31-17, 09:04 PM	#3495
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,521 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Trump desperately needs Kelly, if only to show he is at least trying to have some degree of sanity in the West Wing; that sanity is definitely not forthcoming from Trump, himself. One thought occurred to me: is Kelly laying the groundwork for a transition to a new President? By any measure, Kelly is one person any President would want to have on his staff, but he is not a blind loyalist, as Trump so often exhibits his need to have; is Kelly actually going to be acting to restore order, not to shore up Trump's flailing and failing tenure, but, rather, to create a stable organizational structure for the new Oval Office resident?; it has been noted in news articles that Kelly is not at all enamored of Trump's "style" but does have a liking for the general policies; so, Kelly can right the ship, the Special Counsel and the Congress can oust Trump and a smooth, sane, transition can occur. Far fetched? Not if it is noted the Washington Post has just reported Trump personally dictated Junior's statement, which was an outright lie, about Jr.'s meeting with the Russians: https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.d7f85b660958 More fuel for an obstruction of justice charge? Maybe... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __