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MONOLITH · 03-03-08, 11:54 AM

I had been looking for a way to bypass the vids, but didn't think it was possible. I was afraid renaming the vids would cause a crash as the engine would look for them but not find them.

I'll try it for sure.

I can confirm DrBeasts report, as the couple of times I did get the game running with GPU in the background, my frame rates got hammered.

it's nice that we did indeed find a fix, but if it causes too many other hassles, I might just do without the sun glare for now.

it's a real shame that between UBI and ATI, this couldn't get sorted out in the several patches and add-on we've had, not to mention several ATI driver versions since SH4s release.

Every set of ATI driver release notes, I always look for "resolved SH4 sunglare issue", but it's never there.

Quagmire · 03-03-08, 11:54 AM

I finally got this to work. Thanks Kriller! It was your last step by step process that did the trick. However I have good news and bad news.

First the good news. My x1950 has never rendered this before!

Now the bad news. The cost of this beauty is a HUGE frame rate hit and the pretty wakes now look like oil slicks.

Now I did a little research and here is what I found. That Force Z Test Enable setting identifies z-order performance issues. Z-order or the layering of objects in the distance is a very sloppy area in the SHIV 3D engine. When you damage a ship in the distance you most often see the damage textures flickering in an annoying way. The same must be happening with the sun rendering. The halo layer is not being rendered around the sun for some reason.

Now the question is why Nvidia chipsets seem to be able to compensate for this and render the effect? And what is it with the x1950 chip set that can handle it? I single that chipset out since the latest ATI chipsets seem to render the sun halo just find.

Unfortunatly I fear that our niche passion for sub sims is too small to be noticed by both ATI and Ubisoft. We are too small a group for them to notice and a fix for this one issue in an other wise "servicable" 3D engine.

Oh well, this is a great find Kriller. I will surely use it when taking screenshots. However it is a bit impracticle for daily use.

It is nice to finally see the work of so many in its full glory. Thanks for that!!!

.

ATR-42 · 03-03-08, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Torps

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATR-42

during sunrise i get the red circle not the shining sun. do you guys have any idea of a setting i can change to get it back? its the only anomaly i have.

nvidia evga 8800 GTS current drivers.

Same problems for me, I think its a change made to a file in the data/shaders file folder. However if you install a older version of ROW you do not get the red sky and fancy cloud affects, but you get the good sunset. So we need to know what changes Kriller2 made in those files to correct the settings for Nvidia.

Dave optimized ROW for Nvidia and helped out ATI users on how to get the same affects except the halo which is a software issue. Someone with a nvidia card needs to work with Kriller2 to make sure we all get the same benefits.

Torps,
Any luck on this issue w your machine? i systematically changed all my nvidia settings and wasnt able to get the shining sun back. Did you have any luck?
The rest of the pack is running so nicely im just accepting the red circle but i see these shining sun pictures of what once was and it makes me think

:hmm:

Torps · 03-03-08, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATR-42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torps

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATR-42

during sunrise i get the red circle not the shining sun. do you guys have any idea of a setting i can change to get it back? its the only anomaly i have.

nvidia evga 8800 GTS current drivers.

Same problems for me, I think its a change made to a file in the data/shaders file folder. However if you install a older version of ROW you do not get the red sky and fancy cloud affects, but you get the good sunset. So we need to know what changes Kriller2 made in those files to correct the settings for Nvidia.

Dave optimized ROW for Nvidia and helped out ATI users on how to get the same affects except the halo which is a software issue. Someone with a nvidia card needs to work with Kriller2 to make sure we all get the same benefits.

Torps,
Any luck on this issue w your machine? i systematically changed all my nvidia settings and wasnt able to get the shining sun back. Did you have any luck?
The rest of the pack is running so nicely im just accepting the red circle but i see these shining sun pictures of what once was and it makes me think

:hmm:

Hey,
No luck, I been messing around with the latest work and old ROW, I get the sunset but I do not get the red cloud effects but since I do not have the tools I do not know how and what the new files are affecting. I talked to K2(Kriller2) and he said he was going to work on it. I feel like an a** though I had a long day and I was kinda of rude about it when I brought it to his attention.

Everyone has there moments. Sorry Christian.

TDK1044 · 03-03-08, 01:34 PM

My Geforce 7600GT continues to render this game and ROW beautifully. For a mid range card, I'm really impressed with it. I continue to see fps higher than 40 on the eye candy shots. ROW is really awesome.

Paajtor · 03-03-08, 02:18 PM

I have a ATI X850XT AGP...and allthough I have a nicer looking sun-glare in SH3, this ROW-SH4 one is quite nice as well, imo.
Here's a typical sunset, off the coast of Borneo, Jan '42...last shot is sunrise next morning, with a little fog in the distance:

What do you think?

Fish40 · 03-03-08, 02:21 PM

[Quote] im just accepting the red circle but i see these shining sun pictures of what once was and it makes me think

:hmm:

Welcome to my ATI world!

ATR-42 · 03-03-08, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish40

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATR-42

im just accepting the red circle but i see these shining sun pictures of what once was and it makes me think

Welcome to my ATI world!

touche` fish....touche`, the irony of it all.

Fish40 · 03-03-08, 02:38 PM

Feel the pain!

By the way ATR, where abouts down the shore are you? I used to go to Seaside and Ortley Beach alot. Presently, I do alot of Tuna fishing out of Brielle. I just love it down there

kylesplanet · 03-03-08, 05:50 PM

Great work on this Kriller2!

Just a heads up, (you probably already know) running 1.4 rsrd with the PE1: I know that we can't click characters but I also can't click the hatch above the helmsman that takes you to the conning tower, I get the same blank screen.

EDIT: Well sometimes this works as I have discovered this morning. Anyway, it's not a big deal, everything looks great.

kriller2 · 03-03-08, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torps

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATR-42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torps

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATR-42

during sunrise i get the red circle not the shining sun. do you guys have any idea of a setting i can change to get it back? its the only anomaly i have.

nvidia evga 8800 GTS current drivers.

Same problems for me, I think its a change made to a file in the data/shaders file folder. However if you install a older version of ROW you do not get the red sky and fancy cloud affects, but you get the good sunset. So we need to know what changes Kriller2 made in those files to correct the settings for Nvidia.

Dave optimized ROW for Nvidia and helped out ATI users on how to get the same affects except the halo which is a software issue. Someone with a nvidia card needs to work with Kriller2 to make sure we all get the same benefits.

Torps,
Any luck on this issue w your machine? i systematically changed all my nvidia settings and wasnt able to get the shining sun back. Did you have any luck?
The rest of the pack is running so nicely im just accepting the red circle but i see these shining sun pictures of what once was and it makes me think

:hmm:

Hey,
No luck, I been messing around with the latest work and old ROW, I get the sunset but I do not get the red cloud effects but since I do not have the tools I do not know how and what the new files are affecting. I talked to K2(Kriller2) and he said he was going to work on it. I feel like an a** though I had a long day and I was kinda of rude about it when I brought it to his attention.

Everyone has there moments. Sorry Christian.

Hi Torp.

It's okay mate, I got a little upset because it sounds like my work went badder and badder than Dave's. it's quite a challenge to improve on something that was fantastic to begin with..

Anyway I have something for you tomorrow, now the sun wont be so dark red, but you better confirm this.

Thanks for the apology in this thread, it takes character to do that.

Kriller2

letterboy1 · 03-04-08, 06:58 AM

@Nvidia card owners who aren't getting sunglare:

What driver settings are you using? Is your FSAA above x8? Just curious. Also, are you not getting glare only during sunsets or all throughout the game?

Torps · 03-04-08, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letterboy1

@Nvidia card owners who aren't getting sunglare:

What driver settings are you using? Is your FSAA above x8? Just curious. Also, are you not getting glare only during sunsets or all throughout the game?

Hey letterboy,
It actually is not about the sunglare, it is the color of the sun when the sun gets close to the horizon. No worries though, Kriller is on it

.

DrBeast · 03-04-08, 09:12 AM

I wonder...all you guys who have noticed a performance hit when GPU was running, what's your machine's specs? Mine is a grumpy 5-year old bastard :p

P4 Northwood 2.4 GHz running at 2.6GHz
1280MB DDR RAM
ATi X1650Pro 256MB DDR3 running on Omega 7.12 drivers

ETA to Torps: Uhm...I'm still waiting for a PM from you, mate

ReallyDedPoet · 03-04-08, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torps

Quote:

Originally Posted by letterboy1

@Nvidia card owners who aren't getting sunglare:

What driver settings are you using? Is your FSAA above x8? Just curious. Also, are you not getting glare only during sunsets or all throughout the game?

Hey letterboy,
It actually is not about the sunglare, it is the color of the sun when the sun gets close to the horizon. No worries though, Kriller is on it

.

Don't be so picky Torps

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03-03-08, 11:54 AM	#3361
MONOLITH Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 997 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I had been looking for a way to bypass the vids, but didn't think it was possible. I was afraid renaming the vids would cause a crash as the engine would look for them but not find them. I'll try it for sure. I can confirm DrBeasts report, as the couple of times I did get the game running with GPU in the background, my frame rates got hammered. it's nice that we did indeed find a fix, but if it causes too many other hassles, I might just do without the sun glare for now. it's a real shame that between UBI and ATI, this couldn't get sorted out in the several patches and add-on we've had, not to mention several ATI driver versions since SH4s release. Every set of ATI driver release notes, I always look for "resolved SH4 sunglare issue", but it's never there. __________________

03-03-08, 11:54 AM	#3362
Quagmire Watch Officer Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 335 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	I finally got this to work. Thanks Kriller! It was your last step by step process that did the trick. However I have good news and bad news. First the good news. My x1950 has never rendered this before! Now the bad news. The cost of this beauty is a HUGE frame rate hit and the pretty wakes now look like oil slicks. Now I did a little research and here is what I found. That Force Z Test Enable setting identifies z-order performance issues. Z-order or the layering of objects in the distance is a very sloppy area in the SHIV 3D engine. When you damage a ship in the distance you most often see the damage textures flickering in an annoying way. The same must be happening with the sun rendering. The halo layer is not being rendered around the sun for some reason. Now the question is why Nvidia chipsets seem to be able to compensate for this and render the effect? And what is it with the x1950 chip set that can handle it? I single that chipset out since the latest ATI chipsets seem to render the sun halo just find. Unfortunatly I fear that our niche passion for sub sims is too small to be noticed by both ATI and Ubisoft. We are too small a group for them to notice and a fix for this one issue in an other wise "servicable" 3D engine. Oh well, this is a great find Kriller. I will surely use it when taking screenshots. However it is a bit impracticle for daily use. It is nice to finally see the work of so many in its full glory. Thanks for that!!! . __________________ The day publishers figured out that they could sell flashy first person shooters to teenagers in numbers greater than sand on a beach was the day that quality simulations died. --Col. Tibbets UBI SHIV Forums I guess they should have made SH4 an open boat where we run around inside and shoot each other a 1000 times. They seem to handle those games with numerous patches. --Longam UBI SHIV Forums A sad day has dawned...

03-03-08, 02:18 PM	#3366
Paajtor The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Dutch mountains Posts: 1,551 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 1	I have a ATI X850XT AGP...and allthough I have a nicer looking sun-glare in SH3, this ROW-SH4 one is quite nice as well, imo. Here's a typical sunset, off the coast of Borneo, Jan '42...last shot is sunrise next morning, with a little fog in the distance: What do you think? __________________

03-03-08, 05:50 PM	#3370
kylesplanet Commodore Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 629 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Great work on this Kriller2! Just a heads up, (you probably already know) running 1.4 rsrd with the PE1: I know that we can't click characters but I also can't click the hatch above the helmsman that takes you to the conning tower, I get the same blank screen. EDIT: Well sometimes this works as I have discovered this morning. Anyway, it's not a big deal, everything looks great. __________________ Last edited by kylesplanet; 03-04-08 at 10:01 AM.

03-03-08, 01:34 PM	#3365
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	My Geforce 7600GT continues to render this game and ROW beautifully. For a mid range card, I'm really impressed with it. I continue to see fps higher than 40 on the eye candy shots. ROW is really awesome.

03-03-08, 02:21 PM	#3367
Fish40 The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yonkers, NY U.S.A. Posts: 1,507 Downloads: 154 Uploads: 0	[Quote] im just accepting the red circle but i see these shining sun pictures of what once was and it makes me think :hmm: Welcome to my ATI world!

03-03-08, 02:38 PM	#3369
Fish40 The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yonkers, NY U.S.A. Posts: 1,507 Downloads: 154 Uploads: 0	Feel the pain! By the way ATR, where abouts down the shore are you? I used to go to Seaside and Ortley Beach alot. Presently, I do alot of Tuna fishing out of Brielle. I just love it down there

03-04-08, 06:58 AM	#3372
letterboy1 Captain Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Columbus, GA, USA Posts: 525 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	@Nvidia card owners who aren't getting sunglare: What driver settings are you using? Is your FSAA above x8? Just curious. Also, are you not getting glare only during sunsets or all throughout the game? __________________ Asus P8 Z68 Deluxe MoBo Intel Core i7 @ 4.4 GHz 16 GB RAM EVGA GTX Titan Black 1.5 T-byte HDD Antec 1 KW True Power Quattro PS

03-04-08, 09:12 AM	#3374
DrBeast The Old Man Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Somewhere Out In Space Posts: 1,408 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	I wonder...all you guys who have noticed a performance hit when GPU was running, what's your machine's specs? Mine is a grumpy 5-year old bastard :p P4 Northwood 2.4 GHz running at 2.6GHz 1280MB DDR RAM ATi X1650Pro 256MB DDR3 running on Omega 7.12 drivers ETA to Torps: Uhm...I'm still waiting for a PM from you, mate __________________ Let the Beast inside you free!