Who Started World War II? - Page 22

MH · 01-13-16, 01:56 PM

So maybe after all Stalin did a favor by re-arranging up all this ethnic maze of central Europe that came about after ages of conquests and wars.

Fahnenbohn · 01-13-16, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

After Czechoslovakia Britain and France came to the decision that trying to make deals with Hitler probably wasn't going to work, and that war was likely.

BUT : What were they afraid of in Poland ?????????
Say it to me !

Raptor1 · 01-13-16, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

In 1910, the Germans represented 43% of the population:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish...raphic_reasons

There were major German military formations stationed in the area at the start of World War I. If those figures include military personnel, they could deviate from the actual population by a significant amount.

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Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

BUT : What were they afraid of in Poland ?????????
Say it to me !

Annexation and occupation. You know, those things that happened to Czechoslovakia and eventually, in fact, to Poland?

Oberon · 01-13-16, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

BUT : What were they afraid of in Poland ?????????
Say it to me !

Hitler invading and occupying it. Hence why Britain signed an agreement with it.

Fahnenbohn · 01-13-16, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Hitler invading and occupying it. Hence why Britain signed an agreement with it.

- There is no evidence that Hitler would have invaded Poland after having signed the negotiations (very minimal) about Dantzig.

- On the contrary, all demonstrates that Britain has pushed Poland to refuse any negotiations, pushing Germany to the offensive, who was the british pretext to declare war.

These facts are not refutable.

Onkel Neal · 01-13-16, 02:20 PM

Yes, they are.

Sailor Steve · 01-13-16, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

- On the contrary, all demonstrates that Britain has pushed Poland to refuse any negotiations, pushing Germany to the offensive, who was the british pretext to declare war.

With regards to another war, a friend of mine once said "If I come to your house, kick in your door and beat the crap out of you, I can come up with all kinds of excuses as to why I did it. What I can't do is turn around and claim it was your fault."

The bottom line is that Germany invaded Poland, and created a fake situation to justify it. Nobody made them do that. All reasons and excuses aside, Germany started the war.

MH · 01-13-16, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

- On the contrary, all demonstrates that Britain has pushed Poland to refuse any negotiations, pushing Germany to the offensive, who was the british pretext to declare war.

These facts are not refutable.

Amazing backward logic ... similar to the troother stuff.

That is called drawing a line...Germany proved by then it could not be trusted and was led by a loon anyway.
....and if Hitler fell for this British tick you claim it proves Hitler was very very spoiled loony brat.

Betonov · 01-13-16, 02:41 PM

I learned one thing from Fahnenbohn in this thread.

That there was a diplomatic solution to the Danzig problem that would have been solved with the democratic process of a plebiscit, but the Nazis still went to war.

Joefour · 01-13-16, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

With regards to another war, a friend of mine once said "If I come to your house, kick in your door and beat the crap out of you, I can come up with all kinds of excuses as to why I did it. What I can't do is turn around and claim it was your fault."

The bottom line is that Germany invaded Poland, and created a fake situation to justify it. Nobody made them do that. All reasons and excuses aside, Germany started the war.

Thank you, Steve,

Maybe now someone will get closer to answering the question I asked at posting #206. Those events REALLY to be discussed.

Fahnenbohn · 01-13-16, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

The bottom line is that Germany invaded Poland, and created a fake situation to justify it.

OK, so :

- All german proposals to Poland since 1937 are fake.

- After german invasion of Poland, Britain who caused the failure of all the initiatives for peace is a fake.

- Hitler who remains open to a peaceful settlement of the dispute is a fake.

My God .... this is ... negationism !

Betonov · 01-13-16, 03:00 PM

-Hitler's honesty when upholding international treaties is fake

I'm sorry, was fake. Fortunately for us he lost the war.

Raptor1 · 01-13-16, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

These facts are not refutable.

Isn't that what we've been doing all the time?

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Originally Posted by Joefour

Maybe now someone will get closer to answering the question I asked at posting #206. Those events REALLY to be discussed.

They were.

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Originally Posted by Joefour

Forgive me for not being more exact in my language. What events sparked the movement of german troops across the border into Poland?

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Originally Posted by Raptor1

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was probably the deciding factor in the exact timing of the invasion, but it had been planned before that.

If you want to be ultra-specific about it, the movement of German troops into Poland took place because the German army received orders from Hitler to implement Case White first on August 26th, then on September 1st.

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Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

- All german proposals to Poland since 1937 are fake.

Not fake, just dishonest. Most if not all of these were presented after the Munich Agreement and could not be trusted, in any case.

MH · 01-13-16, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

OK, so :

- All german proposals to Poland since 1937 are fake.

- After german invasion of Poland, Britain who caused the failure of all the initiatives for peace is a fake.

- Hitler who remains open to a peaceful settlement of the dispute is a fake.

My God .... this is ... negationism !

ok ok

Fahnenbohn · 01-13-16, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MH

Amazing backward logic ... similar to the troother stuff.

That is called drawing a line...Germany proved by then it could not be trusted and was led by a loon anyway.
....and if Hitler fell for this British tick you claim it proves Hitler was very very spoiled loony brat.

Sorry, but I understand absolutely nothing of what you're saying (untranslatable in French).

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MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	So maybe after all Stalin did a favor by re-arranging up all this ethnic maze of central Europe that came about after ages of conquests and wars.

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Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	I learned one thing from Fahnenbohn in this thread. That there was a diplomatic solution to the Danzig problem that would have been solved with the democratic process of a plebiscit, but the Nazis still went to war.

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Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	-Hitler's honesty when upholding international treaties is fake I'm sorry, was fake. Fortunately for us he lost the war.