Creationist Explains How Humans Could Have Hunted The Tyrannosaurus Rex

[August]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

There is place for you.
on your own property, on your own land.

No i'm gonna knock on your door every 15 minutes 365 days a year and try to convert you to my non religion.

[Feuer Frei!]

Was about to say something like that, what is he doing? Watching the religious satellite channel from 6am till 8pm?
How are you getting fed Religion this much in your life Hundert?
I don't, not even my Dad, who goes to church every day.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by August

I have never heard of such a thing. You are either exaggerating or you are the most proselytized person on the planet.

I believe he is talking about the incessant ringing of church bells at various times of day, not people knocking on his door every 15 minutes trying to convert him.

Honestly if I lived somewhere that had church bells ringing every 15 minutes for 2 hours at the crack of dawn every morning, I'd prefer people knocking on my door. At least I'd have a shot at sleeping through the latter.

[Hottentot]

It's always marvelous to notice that I, whom none but the most delusional "us versus them" folks would label "religious", still find myself nodding and agreeing all the time with the pro-religion people, when on the other side of the fence are people like Skybird and HundertzehnGustav. Keep doing the disservice to your cause, guys.

[Armistead]

If people believe this, they will believe anything.



This movement in the "Christian" belief visited one of our churches that basically believes the same. During a revival, course the church youth invited school mates. They assured them a "glory cloud" of gold would appear. My son wanted to go see, I wasn't sure, but I trusted he would use enough logic. He went, sure nuf a large fog cloud appeared, not gold glitter. Course it was known several kids were going to the meeting just to collect glitter and test it, probably why fog appeared instead. My son said it was clear someone was running a fog machine through the vents.

However, others have gone to the above church in the video and collected the gold glitter sent from God. It turned out that God loves Martha Stewart #9 painted glitter.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

Ugh multi-quote so this is going to be long... sorry...

They usually are. It's the nature of the beast.

There are many people I respect, but just because one of them likes someone else doesn't mean much to me.

You said neither Hitchins nor Dawkins understands basic scientific principles. I only wanted to show that one of the most respected scientists around disagrees with that assessment.

I am really not sure where your argument lies here. A lack of evidence is not proof, it is simply a lack of evidence. this does not mean you should therefore believe the theory (I would argue that you should not fully believe any theory, as they are all likely wrong). It only means you cannot rule the theory out, so your theory of blue men may be true as we don't know the oceans very well, but it may not be very probable (something else we can't calculate either).

Actually I was agreeing with you. I was also pointing out what I consider to be the greatest flaw in Creationist arguments. A concept (hypothosis) is proposed on the sole basis that someone said it is so. There is no evidence at all, yet they dare you to disprove it and attack a theory is is based on evidence. I decided to do the same.

The atheist asking for proof is a hypocrite as he has no proof for his stance either, and they also proclaim that they posses the truth. By your logic, would they also not have to present evidence that they speak truth as well? Like I said, a lack of evidence is not evidence itself.

The problem is that the theist wants to tell you about his God. When told he can't prove that his God even exists he brings up your "negative" argument. If the athiest proclaims that "There is no God", then indeed your argument is true. If he askes that the proclaiming theist give proof for his claim, then he is not making a counterclaim but merely challenging the original claim. This is very much more common than the other.

I still argue that the null answer is the most rational. I have little doubt that all of the worlds religions are wrong, in that none of them posses the truth. I view all of them as being flawed human creations, and not things I can believe in. On the other hand, I cannot refute the existence of a creator or group of creators, or give any estimation as to probability of their existence. If such an entity(ies) exist, they would be so far beyond our ken to even begin to imagine about, let alone begin to comprehend.

This is why I will never claim to be an Atheist. As long as I can't show for a fact that there is no God I will have to be lumped into the 'Agnostic' category.

Everything else was addressed to someone else, so I'll stay out of that part.

[August]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

I believe he is talking about the incessant ringing of church bells at various times of day, not people knocking on his door every 15 minutes trying to convert him.

Honestly if I lived somewhere that had church bells ringing every 15 minutes for 2 hours at the crack of dawn every morning, I'd prefer people knocking on my door. At least I'd have a shot at sleeping through the latter.

Ah I see it wasn't that clear to me.

But that method of announcing the time is hundreds of years old.What is different about him and the people who move in next to an airport then complain about the noise.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

because it gets on my nerves?$

for example from 06.00 in the morning, every 15 minutes, till 08.00 in the evening. every day.
and it is especially bad around the full hour, near noon.

because i read them getting power and tax money. privileges and stuff.
I do care about religion... about religion losing all of that!

Best business in the world, why so many atheist get in the business of religion.

Honestly if I lived somewhere that had church bells ringing every 15 minutes for 2 hours at the crack of dawn every morning, I'd prefer people knocking on my door. At least I'd have a shot at sleeping through the latter.

If you lived next to a church that did that you probably wouldn't even notice it after a very short time.
But a brass band marching past your bedroom every Sunday morning on their way to church is another matter entirely

[HundertzehnGustav]

Well, religion is about everywhere in here. You hear a politician make a statement on Radio he somehow manages to place the words "christian values" in a discussion about fiscal fraud.

Churchbells ringing as a call to duty (ever since i remember)
Churches running hospitals and refusing treatment to people... and the state pays the bills.

Walk along the Streets of town, you see the Whitnesses do their standing.
sunday morning, 10 AM, doorbell rings. again them. Okay, twice a year... still too much.

religion is not in my face every day - it is in the fabric of my life like a friggin infection.


and whom do i serve (disserve)? what cause? what is written on my banner? nothing. there is no banner, no group, no association. so i do not do disservice to anyone but me by nagging people.

hate me.

ah no you cant... you wold go to hell for dat, eh?
oops!

[Sammi79]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I guess that sort of applies to me as well. I like to say that I was brought up nothing at all. Nothing was ever said about it one way or the other.

That sounds more familiar than I was expecting. I was probably around 6 or 7 when I first quizzed my parents over the whole issue, wondering why if as they taught in school that this biblical account of events was historical reality, did it not seem to figure in our lives? I was met with 'some people believe, some don't. It's up to you to decide whether you think it is true or not.' and upon further 'When dealing with apparent dilemmas it is important to make sure there is not a third option or middle way.' and without the mental faculty to understand the latter I became what you could describe as firmly atheist until high school when the myriad complexities of natural reality and ludicrous nature of human politics and social rituals started to push me back towards metaphysics.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Sorry, but I've left out a lot. Suffering seems to be what I do best.

Understood. I'm quite practiced myself actually... but then I have been haunted by the eerie beauty of sorrow just as much as the elation of joy ever since I was played Barrios by my father before I could form memories. My favorites aren't on youtube, but stuff like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=090ptcp1jA8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZTndq2qdXY

should give an idea of the emotive range of such an instrument. I have a handmade Spanish guitar and play it but this stuff takes decades of scales and theory.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Not bad at all. Do you have music for it? A link?

Sadly, no link. that was part of a song, and I have the music in my head. I have barely recorded anything and for a long time now I've just been learning rock/blues covers that can be transcribed down to 1 man and his guitar, as over the years my experiences with bands have been frustrating - kids, jobs, college, uni make it practically impossible for 3 people to get together all at the same time for a few hours a week.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Introspective people sometimes have to let it out. Others think "He just likes to talk about himself", but it helps.

I try not to worry too much about what people think about me, rather than simply what they think. Though point taken about the monologue I just feel I get relatively few responses to arguably reasonable questions and in the end, often just simply explain how I see it instead.

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

what cause?

This cause:

and yes... if it were to come down to a war between religion and no religion, i would muster up too.
should be fun.

hate me.

You wish.

ah no you cant... you wold go to hell for dat, eh?

Can't rightly say since such concepts are largely irrelevant to me.

[HundertzehnGustav]

Oh, that would be a fictious cause, for the time being.
I do not think they would take me. I dislike mankind too.
stupid Buggers.

But that is another Topic. Back to the T-Rex...

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

Back to the T-Rex...

I'm afraid he's a bit preoccupied at the moment...

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

Oh, that would be a fictious cause, for the time being.
I do not think they would take me. I dislike mankind too.
stupid Buggers.

But that is another Topic. Back to the T-Rex...

The question may be, are we evolving or devolving as a race.
Maybe we're a lower life form than those previous.