Who will be the next President of the United States?

[dean_acheson]

Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

Sure Hillary and Obama fighting is not going to help their party, but they still look like the fresher candidates. McCain is really old and Romney and Huckabee look 2nd class to me.

Sorry, not to paraphrase Jerry McQuire, but you had me at 'Hillary as the fresher candidate.'

She's been running since 1992.

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by dean_acheson

Sorry, not to paraphrase Jerry McQuire, but you had me at 'Hillary as the fresher candidate.'

She's been running since 1992.

Sure but she's a woman, that should bring some fresh wind.

[dean_acheson]

there's a wind about the clinton's, to be sure.....

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by dean_acheson

there's a wind about the clinton's, to be sure.....

and it is putrid to be sure.

[sonar732]

It's funny to see that CNN is getting a ton of flack for the recent article about how female minorities in South Carolina have a tuff decision to make for their canidate. Do they go for the first woman, or the first minority?

CNN Readers respond angrily to 'race or gender' story

[AVGWarhawk]

CNN is often called the Clinton News Network . CNN holds no water for me...

[bookworm_020]

Fred Thompson is out

http://www.smh.com.au/news/us-electi...024931759.html

Not much of a suprise, but it clears the field a little!

[sonar732]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

CNN is often called the Clinton News Network . CNN holds no water for me...

Which was my point...here a liberal news network was being slammed by their own left wing following for creating a news story about the role of minorities in the election.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by bookworm_020

Fred Thompson is out

http://www.smh.com.au/news/us-electi...024931759.html

Not much of a suprise, but it clears the field a little!

I'm bummed. At this point, I have no candidate I want to send my vote to.

At least the

[Konovalov]

What is it with Rudi Giuliani? Is his grand strategy one is which he is trying to lull his opponents into a false sense of security before pouncing in the Florida primary on 29 January? If he wins it would be a master stroke but if he looses there to McCain or Romney then I reckon the mayor of the planet is sunk. :hmm:

[Skybird]

Republicans have the problem that their candidates are scattered in talents and reputation, they shed their chances onto many of them. the one scores with the religious, the other with the liberal marketeers, the third with something else, but none of them unites several of these "talents" with his name. the democrats have it much easier: there is a one boy and one a girl and a lot of no-chancers - and that's it: toss a coin, and you're done.

[Skybird]

Original thinking:

Clinton or Obama? Why Not Both?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...530207,00.html

[dean_acheson]

Originally Posted by sonar732

It's funny to see that CNN is getting a ton of flack for the recent article about how female minorities in South Carolina have a tuff decision to make for their canidate. Do they go for the first woman, or the first minority?

CNN Readers respond angrily to 'race or gender' story

That is what I was trying to get at, the left in this country isn't concerned with 'ideas' as much as it is with 'identities.'

That is, unless it involves say, the first black Secretary of State, for the first black female Secretary of State, then they are "Uncle Toms."

Clinton and OBH ain't far apart. They both desire a single payer health care system, they both screech about the war in Iraq and how the surge hasn't worked, and support every entitlement program that comes down the road.

It comes down to who the most oppressed, so that the Democrats can eventually nominate the one that the core of the party deserves the nomination most based on how hard their gender/race/identity has had it.

[AVGWarhawk]

My deal is this, Hillary has no clue on the military, neither does Bill as evident with his 8 years and shutting down bases. Obama is lacking even more so. In today uneasy climate, we need a leader who understands the military and has been there, done that. The only choice I see is McCain. Most have written him off as old. What if we did the same with Reagan? Experience wise, he has more experience then Obama/Hillary put together. Just because you hung your hat in the white house does not mean you have experience. If that is the case, Monica Lewinsky could run the country. If Hillary is considering her experience from being a senator, then everyone is on equal ground as McCain, Clinton and Obama were/are all in the government body. Besides, Hillary spent most of her time in the white house attempting to salvage her marriage.

[sonar732]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

...neither does Bill as evident with his 8 years and shutting down bases.

I do have to disagree with this statement even though it's somewhat accurate. The BRAC process started in 1988. There were two BRAC's prior to Clinton coming to office. Yes, he did have a ton of bases closed during his tenure. But, the cold war was over, the slow demise of our military started shortly after Desert Storm, and it was a time when servicemen and women could get out for refusing to take their PT exams (I witnessed this on my boat personally).

Did I like the thought of all of these bases being phased out...no. Was it inevitable? Yes.