Wuhan virus 2020

[Skybird]

It seems the report on the WHO saying there is no immunity from Corvid19 may be a case of miscommunication, kind of. What they apparently intended to communicate is that the ideas of issuing certificates of recovery after being tested for antibodies may not give the ammount of informaiton vlaue and informaiton valdity that some people imply (due to the already discussed limitations of antibody tests and their still existing lack of reliability).

This confusion is made even worse due to German-typical translation issues ("kein Nachweis einer Immunität" is a misleading terminology here, and could mean both the lack of evidence for a demonstrated immunity as well as a formal non-certification of an immunity).

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by August

He did not say that.

If he did not say that, what he said? What Jimbuna posted is basically what everyone around the world is reporting.

[Jimbuna]

Deaths in the UK have now gone above 20,000

[Skybird]

Correction of the correction: it now seems to be the WHO wants to say both: that immunity certifications after tests make no sense and should not be given out, and that it is not proven that recovering from Covid19 provides the person any kind of certain immunity.


Not my day today.

[Jimbuna]

The UK's Department of Health and Social Care has recorded a further 813 deaths in hospital.

It brings the total number of hospital deaths to 20,319 - making the UK the fifth country to pass 20,000 deaths, along with Italy, Spain, France and the USA.

Then I read this crap below and don't know whether to blow a gasket, laugh or cry.

China, where the new coronavirus emerged in December, has reported more than 82,000 cases and 4,632 deaths.

[August]

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

If he did not say that, what he said? What Jimbuna posted is basically what everyone around the world is reporting.

Eveyone? Or just certain left leaning publications?


If you care here is a reasonably unbiased recap of what he actually said and didn't say.


https://www.politifact.com/article/2...disinfectant-/

[Jimbuna]

[Mr Quatro]

I can't fathom how they (China) thinks they can get away with claiming this kind of data. The USA has had that many deaths in just two days

Then I read this crap below and don't know whether to blow a gasket, laugh or cry.

Quote:
China, where the new coronavirus emerged in December, has reported more than 82,000 cases and 4,632 deaths.

I hope other countries see through China's false claims when this is over. Time to produce our own medical supplies and meds instead of trying to save a buck or two.

Mexico would love our business

[mapuc]

Yesterday USA broke a sad record...more than 50000 American have lost their life to this Corona virus *

The media keeps on telling the number of how many Chinese have died-the numbers they have been given from the official China.
(I believe Free Asia is more correctly, when they said more than 40000 Chinese have died)

* Despite they haven't come over the top of the hill, there are States who are planning on open the door, not just some centimeter, but meters wide open.

And not to forget.

From 28 October 2016 onwards, a fatal swine disease outbreak was observed in a pig farm in Qingyuan, Guangdong province, China, very close to the location of the first known index case of SARS in 2002, who lived in Foshan (Extended Data Fig. 1a). Porcine epidemic diarrhoea virus (PEDV, a coronavirus) had caused prior outbreaks at this farm, and was detected in the intestines of deceased piglets at the start of the outbreak.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0010-9

More here

Investigators confirmed the connection of SADS-CoV to bats by identifying the new virus in the small intestine of piglets from the outbreak. They then determined that the genetic sequence of SADS-CoV is similar to that of a bat coronavirus discovered in 2007 and looked for evidence of SADS-CoV in bat specimens collected from 2013 to 2016 in Guangdong Province. The new virus appeared in 71 of 596 specimens (11.9 percent).

https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-event...es-young-swine


Markus

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by August

Eveyone? Or just certain left leaning publications?


If you care here is a reasonably unbiased recap of what he actually said and didn't say.


https://www.politifact.com/article/2...disinfectant-/

Pivoting to the US politics thread in reply to your article, August, can we pick it up there? No foul, the Covid-19 and politics are intertwined.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...23#post2666123

[Jimbuna]

The UK military is to begin testing essential workers in mobile units in "hard to reach" areas.

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab, who has been deputising for Prime Minister Boris Johnson while he was ill with coronavirus, admitted to Andrew Marr that "we are not where we would want to be on PPE".

Oxford University's Prof Christophe Fraser told the BBC's Andrew Marr between three and 10% of the population was predicted to have contracted coronavirus by this stage - up to six million people.

The state of New York, the epicentre of the Covid-19 outbreak in the US, is planning to allow pharmacies to carry out tests for the virus. Governor Andrew Cuomo said some 5,000 pharmacies would be able to carry out testing, with the aim to provide 40,000 per day.

Germany has been held up as an exemplar for its response to the pandemic.
The latest figures from the Robert Koch Institute, the German public health agency, put the number of deaths in the country at 5,500, which is lower than the UK, Spain, Italy, France and the US.

Sweden has been more relaxed than many other countries in the restrictions it has brought in and has a higher death rate than neighbouring Scandinavian countries. More than 2,000 people have died compared with 193 in Norway.

Israel allowed some businesses to reopen on Sunday and said it would consider reopening schools. Israel has had 15,398 cases and 199 people have died.

India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi has called on the country to stick to its lockdown as cases in the country continue to rise. There has been an increase of 2,000 cases registered in the past 24 hours. So far, more than 26,000 cases have been reported and more than 800 people have died.

Saudi Arabia eased some of its restrictions on Sunday. A 24-hour curfew has been lifted and people will be able to move freely from 0900 to 1700 local time. From Wednesday, shops will be allowed to open and some factories will resume operations. More than 16,000 cases have been confirmed and 136 people have died in the country.

[Skybird]

The Swedish number of deaths has to be seen against their small population. Considering that, the Swedish example is a terribly derailed experiment. They will not do better, but worse than most others went - just that they started with a delay. And for that delay they pay with a higher death toll. I can just shake my head about them.

Also, the theory of allowing the pandemic running to enforce herd immunity has been debunked so massively by now that one wonders why anyone still dares to bring it up, it takes so unaccaptble long time to get to the necessary levels. And you pay for it with deaths, deaths, and more deaths.


Add to this that the wHO says immunity certifications make no sense since we cannot even be certain that recovering from Covid 19 does not even necessarily provide you with immunity. No herd immunity then.

[Jimbuna]

Where are fastest-rising outbreaks?

While the US and European nations have been at the centre of the pandemic for the past few weeks, other nations are also seeing cases rapidly rise.

In Ecuador, there are now 22,791 confirmed cases - up from six on 2 March. Officials have suggested the death toll, currently under 900, may be in the thousands and families have said they have struggled to bury their dead.

After recording its first case on 26 February,Brazil has reached 55,224 cases, with 3,762 deaths. Amid the largest outbreak in Latin America, President Jair Bolsonaro has been criticised for joining protesters against the restrictions designed to slow the virus’s spread.

Turkey confirmed its first case on 11 March and now has 107,773 - making it the seventh highest total worldwide. There have been 2,706 deaths.

And in Russia, the total number of confirmed infections reached 74,588, rising from about 1,000 on 28 March. The death toll has reached 681.

[Jimbuna]

All coronavirus patients discharged in Wuhan

The Chinese city of Wuhan, where the virus was first reported, has no remaining cases in its hospitals, according to officials.

Mi Feng, spokesperson for the National Health Commission, told reporters the last patient in a serious condition was "cured" on Friday.

They also confirmed that there are no new cases of the virus in the city.

Since the outbreak began in December, China has reported 82, 816 cases and 4,632 deaths.

Wuhan reported 46,452 cases, 56% of the total.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52430713

Then the band played 'Believe It If You Like'

[Skybird]

After over 300 programmers and experts left the pprject to develope a Corona-tracking app for smarthphone when it became clear the government favoured a model with centralised unlimited data storage und utmost intransparency, it now seem to slowly, unloivingly, bows to the pressure a bit and leaks news that now it wants to accepot a model with decentrlaised ata storage. However, it was carefully avoided to give any details, and the independent checking of the source code by opening it for external analysis is also not being mentioned.


Keep up the pressure, Germans! Say No to this app as long as the giovenrment does not provide it with time-limited, local data storgae (storage in the devices only, auztkatcially deleting itself after two or four weeks), and opening the sourcecode for external verification that no other data fromt he smartphone get extracted by anyone: government services, big data, business...