Obama supports "Ground Zero Mosque" (of course he does)

[August]

Eh, anyone that describes such a wide ranging and varied group as "Muslims" in the singular is stereotyping.

Except nazis that is. There are no nazis worth saving.

[tater]

Stereotyping what people believe based on what set of beliefs they claim to hold is OK by me. If they disagreed with the doctrine, they'd not belong, that would be silly.

Originally Posted by SteamWake

The man behind the Mosque...



http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/08/...d-zero-mosque/

if he was a waiter in 2005 then how is he qualified and has anyone checked if he is even licensed to build such a project? i dont expect him to be the engineer just to oversee such a project but he does have to know something and have some qualifications to run such a project, or is New York really that screwed up?

[August]

Originally Posted by tater

Stereotyping what people believe based on what set of beliefs they claim to hold is OK by me. If they disagreed with the doctrine, they'd not belong, that would be silly.

So you're trying to say that if they don't believe that flying airplanes into buildings is ok then they're not a true Muslim? Talk about silly...

[tater]

Originally Posted by August

So you're trying to say that if they don't believe that flying airplanes into buildings is ok then they're not a true Muslim? Talk about silly...

I didn't say that.

If their doctrine supports flying airplanes into buildings, then it does, though. They have to live with it, change their doctrine, or dump the religion.

What about things like apostasy?

You sign up for a religion that supports murdering apostates, and guess what, you deserve the stereotype.

My point was that when you join a religion, you are telling the world that their beliefs are your own. The prepackaged set of ideas is itself nothing if not a stereotype.

i must agree with tater on this one, the muslums say they arent extremists yet the true teachings of the religeon say they should be so.

we are told not all muslums are extremists yet if they dont believe in the faith they belong to then they should start a new religeon that doesnt follow the karan which is not tollerant of any other belief or religeon.

if you are a jew who celebrates christmas and doesnt believe in honika or barmitsfas then are you really a jew?

if you are a christian who doesnt celebrate christmas but instead celebrates honika and doesnt believe in baptism then are you really a christian?

the reason we have so many different religeons here in the US is we believe what we believe and find a religeon that follows the same beliefs as us.

its time for muslums to either stop calling themselves muslums or stop calling the radicals muslums, if they arent willing to distinguish themselves as not part or those who belive in hate and murder then they are endorsing it with their silence and apathy to it

[Blood_splat]

I like what Thunderf00t, has to say about it.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Webster

i must agree with tater on this one, the muslums say they arent extremists yet the true teachings of the religeon say they should be so.

Just like the parts of the bible that say you should kill unbelievers and sinners? (Deuteronomy 17:5) Or the genocidal parts? 1 Samuel 15:2-3

its time for muslums to either stop calling themselves muslums or stop calling the radicals muslums, if they arent willing to distinguish themselves as not part or those who belive in hate and murder then they are endorsing it with their silence and apathy to it

I could find thousands of quotes from muslims who condemn terrorist actions, but instead, I'll just leave this here.

[MH]

Talking about stereotyping- can any one point me to even one Arab/Muslim country which isn't run by some kind of dictatorship or Islamic "democracy".
Not all Arab coutures are run by Islamic fundamentalist just because they are run by some sort of dictators.
Do western countries want to be an proving ground to ability of coexistence between Islam and freedom?
Arabs cant sort it out even at home-middle east.
Democracy can work as long as people want to play by its rules and are educated to play by the rules.
Most of western countries fought for their freedom while Muslims ones are fighting for the opposite-as it seems.

[tater]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Just like the parts of the bible that say you should kill unbelievers and sinners? (Deuteronomy 17:5) Or the genocidal parts? 1 Samuel 15:2-3



I could find thousands of quotes from muslims who condemn terrorist actions, but instead, I'll just leave this here.

Nice, but substantial percentages of muslims worldwide support AQ when polled.

[tater]

More importantly, the real question is one of compatibility with western culture in the long term, not just suicidal whack jobs.

What % think shar'ia is a good idea?

What % think women need to be treated as they are in muslim countries (as property)?

What % hold views that you'd consider backwards, etc, if held by Christians?

^^^ I ask this because I know many people who will jump all over fundies, but bend over backwards to give muslims a pass. There are no significant sects of Islam that are not "fundamentalist" by the same criteria used to assign that title to christians. (that goes both ways, any christian fundies share loads of beliefs with muslims that they might consider "extremists")

What about things like apostasy?

You sign up for a religion that supports murdering apostates, and guess what, you deserve the stereotype.

You keep coming up with the same bull again and again, the punishment for apostacy comes in the afterlife.

Nice, but substantial percentages of muslims worldwide support AQ when polled.

Yet again , list the questioins and the answers from the polls, don't just repeat bull you already have been challenged on

What % think shar'ia is a good idea?

Errrrrr....what is sharia and which of the many many thousands of interpretations of sharia are you talking about?

[August]

Originally Posted by tater

I didn't say that.

If their doctrine supports flying airplanes into buildings, then it does, though. They have to live with it, change their doctrine, or dump the religion.

What about things like apostasy?

You sign up for a religion that supports murdering apostates, and guess what, you deserve the stereotype.

My point was that when you join a religion, you are telling the world that their beliefs are your own. The prepackaged set of ideas is itself nothing if not a stereotype.

I understand your point Tater but the problem with it is there isn't one set of beliefs in any religion. Look at the differences between Catholics and Protestants for example. Heck there are 5 major denominations amongst the Protestants alone.

So whose prepackaged set of ideas are you talking about and tell me again why an American Muslim who is just as patriotic as you or I deserves the Jihadi stereotype?

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Just like the parts of the bible that say you should kill unbelievers and sinners? (Deuteronomy 17:5) Or the genocidal parts? 1 Samuel 15:2-3

you proved my point


the bible is a "guide" to religeous beliefs written by men as they understod it

it is a reason why there are so many different forms of faith that sprang from it for the very reason that is is a guide and not a LAW that must be followed to the strict letter to which it was written.

the karan was written by men also and unfortunately for those who grew up believing in it it was written by men who held some very screwed up ideas of the world which to them may have made sense back then but in todays world they are just barbaric, unjust, and cruel.

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by tater

If their doctrine supports flying airplanes into buildings, then it does, though. They have to live with it, change their doctrine, or dump the religion.

Can you be specific to which doctrine you are referring to that instructs Muslims to fly planes into buildings?