[REL] Living breathing Ocean - Page 21

Hawk_345 · 08-21-07, 11:23 AM

ok from reading and seeing all that writing on the first page im a little confused, for the ready use file i just put it into jsgme right? i dont ahve to anything else, all that writing after the downloads is if you want to do it manually right?

the instructions are probably simple, i just cant concentrate now, ive been doing to much work after having to redownload gigs and gigs of new stuff after reformating the computer the last few days.

.....EDIT: ok i understand it now, but i have 1 question, i see in the first post that u say krillers terain goes well with it, but the scene.dat file will be overwritain with this mod, what should go first, this mod htne krillers, or krillers then this 1?

WilhelmTell · 08-21-07, 12:35 PM

You need to activate (the new) LBO after you activated Krillers terrain pack. Krillers terrain pack has the earlier LBO scene.dat included. So just overwrite that via JSGME.

Hawk_345 · 08-21-07, 12:41 PM

thanks alot, cant wait to try these 2 together.

Seeadler · 08-21-07, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Re the Zmax horizon value. At least on the version of LBO im using, a value of 1,000 seems to equate out to around 8KM. Using a value of 2,000, appears to extend the visual rendering to about 16KM. Simarly, a zmax value of 1400 seems to give me about a 12KM visual rendering.

I assume for an extension of 8km to x km it is also necessary to enlarge the 3D models for Clouds and Sky in their *.dat's, as we did with SHIII.

supposedtobeworking · 08-21-07, 02:35 PM

nm about the ctd.. btw the new version of the LBO still has jelly waves in some places I'm noticing..not sure if this was supposed to be fixed in this version, but letting you know.

DirtyHarry3033 · 08-21-07, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supposedtobeworking

nm about the ctd.. btw the new version of the LBO still has jelly waves in some places I'm noticing..not sure if this was supposed to be fixed in this version, but letting you know.

Yeah, I'm seeing "jelly waves" too from bridge, w/calm seas and winds 0mps. Don't see it from the external cam.

Could be my fault, I did the mod manually with MiniTweaker - maybe I entered something wrong?

DH

leovampire · 08-21-07, 07:12 PM

just 1 little problem it absolutly refuses to work in the campaign layers only in single missions and quick battle stuff. So once that mistory is solved the lightning and all the smoke mod stuff will be out for everyone as a mod. But as complicated as it all is it will be a download mod only. There are over 150 values to be changed between 3 files to make all the lightning and smoke effects work in the game and I am sorry but to list all of them on a thread page would take up 2 pages at least just in doing the adjustments manualy.

BTW as per my prommise to a few people there are 2 vs to download:

#1 has the 9km visability and the 30m under water visability

#2 is just a stand alone vs of the LBO work with no other visability
adjustments for the slower and lower end machines.

I did away with all the DDS files because of Kriller2's work and soon to be release work from Seeadler that totaly reworks these files so I am sure you will want to see them and use them in your game instead.

I hope this is what everyone wanted and expected from this mod!

Thanks for all the suport and enjoy guys.

wovik · 08-21-07, 10:04 PM

I noticed the 24km horizon. In clear weather you can sure see far with the TBD! Almost as far as radar detects a ship!
Reminds me of SH3 this way.

leovampire · 08-21-07, 10:21 PM

with differn't camera view's DirtyHarry3033 and supposedtobeworking but it is a camera problem not an ocean effect problem I asure you. Some thing I am looking into in a differn't file for the game. I know it is related to it because when you change views so does the problem change by either going away or changing what is happening.

I repeat a camera rendering problem.

leovampire · 08-21-07, 10:54 PM

in some of the wave states without hurting the over all effects.

Okay if you are looking to increase the top wave turbulant effect without changing wave height or impact all you have to do is change the WINDCOEF numbers:

As an example and white numbers are original the yellow are LBO and the blue one's are new changes that you make:

Wavestate 4

Windcoef=0.8 / 1.0 / 1.5

The higher the impact has on the surface of the ocean the more turbulant the wave effect's look and the wind will grab at the tops of waves more and even sometimes fold them over a bit.

Just like how the windcoef moves the smoke from fires in the game or from the funnels of the ships.

I hope that answers anyone's questions on this.

wovik · 08-21-07, 11:26 PM

I've never seen that jelly like effect. I always thought it might be graphic card related or the settings in the graphic card. Could be when getting lower frame rates.
I was getting around 60 to 65 average on a bridge view dropping to as low as 45 in storms. With this newer version of LBO I get around 55-60 most of the time in bridge view and about 42-43 in storms. A small impact on the frame rate. Of course near a large convoy it might drop to around 30 but usually your not on the surface that close to an enemy convoy unless you want to see how many hits you sub can take before it sinks! LOL

AkbarGulag · 08-22-07, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wovik

I've never seen that jelly like effect.

Neither, but I have noticed the camera treats things differently than deck views. But this version of LBO gives no problems for me, maybe it is also hardware related?

Quote:

Originally Posted by wovik

I was getting around 60 to 65 average on a bridge view

You bastard

On another note Wovik, it must feel good using something you contributed to... makes it all the sweeter. Wovik the toolmaker :p

So many people have helped make these latest MODS, and the run on effect from a lot of the work done here is yet to be seen. Exciting days, damn exciting days.

Maybe a new TAG under LeoVampires name is in order? I think he is more than a mere Captain now.

wovik · 08-22-07, 12:26 AM

It was just a small amount that I could contribute. I am using many mods by others that I combined with TM 1.5. I only wish I could contribute something more to the community.
I saved for years to get a computer to run MS Train Simulator with better frame rates. I got this last year but the original graphics card went beserk 3 days past the warranty so I replaced it with an 8800 GTS 640mb. It gets great frame rates but still can bog down in MS Train Sim in some locations.

leovampire · 08-22-07, 12:31 AM

why dosn't my sub move around on the ocean when the wind is at 0 meters per second?

If you change this you will get a little bit of movment without increasing the waves too much and still have a fairly smooth surface to the ocean:

White is the present value and blue is the new value to make it happen.

LargeWaveCoef=0 / 0.03

602Sqn_Puff · 08-22-07, 12:54 AM

Just wondering if the versions on page one are the new downloads? If so how can I get my 8KM visability fog back, both versions give me the crisp horizon and no haze/atmoshperic prespective?

08-21-07, 11:23 AM	#301
Hawk_345 Medic Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 160 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	ok from reading and seeing all that writing on the first page im a little confused, for the ready use file i just put it into jsgme right? i dont ahve to anything else, all that writing after the downloads is if you want to do it manually right? the instructions are probably simple, i just cant concentrate now, ive been doing to much work after having to redownload gigs and gigs of new stuff after reformating the computer the last few days. .....EDIT: ok i understand it now, but i have 1 question, i see in the first post that u say krillers terain goes well with it, but the scene.dat file will be overwritain with this mod, what should go first, this mod htne krillers, or krillers then this 1? Last edited by Hawk_345; 08-21-07 at 11:52 AM.

08-21-07, 12:35 PM	#302
WilhelmTell Engineer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Berlin, Germany, Europe Posts: 205 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	You need to activate (the new) LBO after you activated Krillers terrain pack. Krillers terrain pack has the earlier LBO scene.dat included. So just overwrite that via JSGME. __________________ Regards, Tell

08-21-07, 07:12 PM	#307
leovampire Eternal Patrol Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Waterbury, CT. USA Posts: 2,336 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	the lightning is ready for the most part just 1 little problem it absolutly refuses to work in the campaign layers only in single missions and quick battle stuff. So once that mistory is solved the lightning and all the smoke mod stuff will be out for everyone as a mod. But as complicated as it all is it will be a download mod only. There are over 150 values to be changed between 3 files to make all the lightning and smoke effects work in the game and I am sorry but to list all of them on a thread page would take up 2 pages at least just in doing the adjustments manualy. BTW as per my prommise to a few people there are 2 vs to download: #1 has the 9km visability and the 30m under water visability #2 is just a stand alone vs of the LBO work with no other visability adjustments for the slower and lower end machines. I did away with all the DDS files because of Kriller2's work and soon to be release work from Seeadler that totaly reworks these files so I am sure you will want to see them and use them in your game instead. I hope this is what everyone wanted and expected from this mod! Thanks for all the suport and enjoy guys. __________________ AIR_BASE_NAV_MAP_MOD Reflections_on_the_Water Last edited by leovampire; 08-21-07 at 07:30 PM.

08-21-07, 10:21 PM	#309
leovampire Eternal Patrol Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Waterbury, CT. USA Posts: 2,336 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	okay there is a slight rendering problem from time to time with differn't camera view's DirtyHarry3033 and supposedtobeworking but it is a camera problem not an ocean effect problem I asure you. Some thing I am looking into in a differn't file for the game. I know it is related to it because when you change views so does the problem change by either going away or changing what is happening. I repeat a camera rendering problem. __________________ AIR_BASE_NAV_MAP_MOD Reflections_on_the_Water

08-21-07, 10:54 PM	#310
leovampire Eternal Patrol Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Waterbury, CT. USA Posts: 2,336 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	someone asked me in a P.M. how to make the waves more turbulant in some of the wave states without hurting the over all effects. Okay if you are looking to increase the top wave turbulant effect without changing wave height or impact all you have to do is change the WINDCOEF numbers: As an example and white numbers are original the yellow are LBO and the blue one's are new changes that you make: Wavestate 4 Windcoef=0.8 / 1.0 / 1.5 The higher the impact has on the surface of the ocean the more turbulant the wave effect's look and the wind will grab at the tops of waves more and even sometimes fold them over a bit. Just like how the windcoef moves the smoke from fires in the game or from the funnels of the ships. I hope that answers anyone's questions on this. __________________ AIR_BASE_NAV_MAP_MOD Reflections_on_the_Water

08-21-07, 12:41 PM	#303
Hawk_345 Medic Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 160 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	thanks alot, cant wait to try these 2 together.

08-21-07, 02:35 PM	#305
supposedtobeworking XO Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 436 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	nm about the ctd.. btw the new version of the LBO still has jelly waves in some places I'm noticing..not sure if this was supposed to be fixed in this version, but letting you know.

08-21-07, 10:04 PM	#308
wovik Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 115 Downloads: 272 Uploads: 0	I noticed the 24km horizon. In clear weather you can sure see far with the TBD! Almost as far as radar detects a ship! Reminds me of SH3 this way.

08-21-07, 11:26 PM	#311
wovik Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 115 Downloads: 272 Uploads: 0	I've never seen that jelly like effect. I always thought it might be graphic card related or the settings in the graphic card. Could be when getting lower frame rates. I was getting around 60 to 65 average on a bridge view dropping to as low as 45 in storms. With this newer version of LBO I get around 55-60 most of the time in bridge view and about 42-43 in storms. A small impact on the frame rate. Of course near a large convoy it might drop to around 30 but usually your not on the surface that close to an enemy convoy unless you want to see how many hits you sub can take before it sinks! LOL

08-22-07, 12:26 AM	#313
wovik Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 115 Downloads: 272 Uploads: 0	It was just a small amount that I could contribute. I am using many mods by others that I combined with TM 1.5. I only wish I could contribute something more to the community. I saved for years to get a computer to run MS Train Simulator with better frame rates. I got this last year but the original graphics card went beserk 3 days past the warranty so I replaced it with an 8800 GTS 640mb. It gets great frame rates but still can bog down in MS Train Sim in some locations.

08-22-07, 12:31 AM	#314
leovampire Eternal Patrol Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Waterbury, CT. USA Posts: 2,336 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	okay another question was asked in a P.M. why dosn't my sub move around on the ocean when the wind is at 0 meters per second? If you change this you will get a little bit of movment without increasing the waves too much and still have a fairly smooth surface to the ocean: White is the present value and blue is the new value to make it happen. LargeWaveCoef=0 / 0.03 __________________ AIR_BASE_NAV_MAP_MOD Reflections_on_the_Water

08-22-07, 12:54 AM	#315
602Sqn_Puff Ensign Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Saltcoats, Ayrshire, Scotland Posts: 233 Downloads: 322 Uploads: 0	Just wondering if the versions on page one are the new downloads? If so how can I get my 8KM visability fog back, both versions give me the crisp horizon and no haze/atmoshperic prespective? Last edited by 602Sqn_Puff; 08-22-07 at 01:08 AM.