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[Trevally.]

Originally Posted by volodya61

Anyway, I'm testing it right now

I spotted another thing, late evening of August 31 I was able to refit in Hel.. I don't know is this an error or not.. just inform you about it

Ah yes - (You must travel fast) we are not at war yet - better watch that they do not spit in your beer all the same

[Choum]

Hello,

Me I see airplane attack during total germany, a german plane who sink merchant vessel.

I've got one CTD when a dock poland vessel in danzig bay explode.
No problem with other escort poland vessel around the bay.

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by Trevally.

... - better watch that they do not spit in your beer all the same

Originally Posted by Choum

I've got one CTD when a dock poland vessel in danzig bay explode.
No problem with other escort poland vessel around the bay.

Sounds more likely graphic or memory reason for CTD

[raven1309]

Hi
Finished first mission sunk four polish ships no CTD got one entering kiel and leaving via kiel canal ,but i think that's got more to do with my mod soup

[gap]

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Did you see any air attacks - they should happen on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd of Sept. Four groups of 2 bombers each day at first light.

Originally Posted by Captain73

Trevally i was in Danzig in the morning of September 2.
Beat the Luftwaffe I have not seen.
I told BdU of detecting enemy, the answer came quickly: "to be more aggressive, to act independently!"
I saw two German destroyers sunk a Polish destroyer. Still seen standing off the coast of Poland's two old cruisers Germany!

Originally Posted by volodya61

I spent a couple of days in the Danzig Bay and still have not seen air attacks .. perhaps this is due to the fact that I have sunk all Polish DDs ..

As far as I know, there were at least 6 German air raids on Polish vessels, during the first 3 days of the conflict.

The first raid, on 1 Sep, was against the Polish port of Gdynia (renamed Gotenhafen by the German) and involved about 30 Stuka's. Moreover, at dusk of the same day, a group of 33 Stuka's attacked a Polish taskforce coming from Danzig and bound for operatins in the Danzig Bay off Hel (see this post for further detail on its composition). This second attack (Battle of the Danzig Bay) required two successive raids, the first one having been driven back.

I could not find reports on air raids taking place during the following date.

The 3rd, 4th and 5th air raids that I know of happened between the mornig and the early afternoon (until 3 PM) of 3 Sep, and were driven against the port of Hel, were the destroyer ORP Wicher and the minelayer ORP Gryf -who had survived the Battle of the Danzig Bay- were moored. These raids had been preceded early the same day by a naval attack carried out by the two German destroyers Z1 Leberecht Maass and Z9 Wolfgang Zenker.

Originally Posted by Captain73

I wanted to ask you ... We can see in the future work of the German submarines in the Norwegian company (the capture of Narvik)!?
As it was a true story.

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Narvik - can you send me a link and I will look at what there is to do.
I still have a few more small fixes to add to the final patch - so could look at another test patch if it is not too much

Originally Posted by Captain73

With regard to Narvik I think need English-language link. I think you need to seek help from Gap! This guy is very competent in such matters!

Thank you for your kind words, Captain

when it comes to helping Treally I am always ready. He only needs to ask.

[Trevally.]

Originally Posted by Choum

Hello,
Me I see airplane attack during total germany, a german plane who sink merchant vessel.

Great

I've got one CTD when a dock poland vessel in danzig bay explode.
No problem with other escort poland vessel around the bay.

Originally Posted by volodya61

Sounds more likely graphic or memory reason for CTD

Ah - this could be the bug I was wary of

I used placed units to do these attacks rather than letting an airfield send them. This allowed me to restrict the number of planes attacking at any one time.
Air raids by planes from airfields can be up to 10 to 15 by the time ctd always happened. It looked great with all the harbour ships firing and planes dropping bomb - but always CTD

So this ship being bombed and sunk with a ctd is what I need to check.
Why can a uboat and/or ship sink ships in a harbour but planes cause ctds

So if anyone sees air attacks in this campaign - please post you results

[gap]

Originally Posted by volodya61

I spotted another thing, late evening of August 31 I was able to refit in Hel.. I don't know is this an error or not.. just inform you about it

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Ah yes - (You must travel fast) we are not at war yet - better watch that they do not spit in your beer all the same

Maybe, making German units axis-aligned since the beginning of the campaign would prevent neutral ports from refitting our boat

On a side note: what about making the port of Memel (Klaipėda - Lithuania) our starting base. There is a reason for me asking it: the few type VII U-boats which took part into Baltic Operations during the first days of the war, departed from Memel without exceptions. I have read somewhere that they were originally intended to intercept the 3 Polish destroyers bound to England, but as the Peking Plan took place a few days before the beginning of open hostilities, they were called back in Kiel and Wilhelmshaven. Imho an Atlantic boat based in Kiel being ordered to head for the Baltic rather than for the more promising Atlantic and North Sea theatres, makes little historical sense.

[Trevally.]

Originally Posted by gap

As far as I know, there were at least 6 German air raids on Polish vessels, during the first 3 days of the conflict.

The first raid, on 1 Sep, was against the Polish port of Gdynia (renamed Gotenhafen by the German) and involved about 30 Stuka's. Moreover, at dusk of the same day, a group of 33 Stuka's attacked a Polish taskforce coming from Danzig and bound for operatins in the Danzig Bay off Hel (see this post for further detail on its composition). This second attack (Battle of the Danzig Bay) required two successive raids, the first one having been driven back.

I could not find reports on air raids taking place during the following date.

The 3rd, 4th and 5th air raids that I know of happened between the mornig and the early afternoon (until 3 PM) of 3 Sep, and were driven against the port of Hel, were the destroyer ORP Wicher and the minelayer ORP Gryf -who had survived the Battle of the Danzig Bay- were moored. These raids had been preceded early the same day by a naval attack carried out by the two German destroyers Z1 Leberecht Maass and Z9 Wolfgang Zenker.

Thanks again Gap
When I make the final patch for v2.1 - I will reflect on this and use the best method to creat these raids.
It may not be 30 stukas but it will try to represent them.

Like wise the Polish ships - I had to use DDs to defend (lay mines) the bay.
The Polish subs are in their correct locations.

I have also changed history a wee bit with the German surface ships. The taskforce is kept together and makes for the bay

when it comes to helping Treally I am always ready. He only needs to ask.

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by Trevally.

So if anyone sees air attacks in this campaign - please post you results

It may seem strange but still no luck

[Trevally.]

Originally Posted by gap

Maybe, making German units axis-aligned since the beginning of the campaign would prevent neutral ports from refitting our boat

Yes - worth a test

On a side note: what about making the port of Memel (Klaipėda - Lithuania) our starting base. There is a reason for me asking it: the few type VII U-boats which took part into Baltic Operations during the first days of the war, departed from Memel without exceptions. I have read somewhere that they were originally intended to intercept the 3 Polish destroyers bound to England, but as the Peking Plan took place a few days before the beginning of open hostilities, they were called back in Kiel and Wilhelmshaven. Imho an Atlantic boat based in Kiel being ordered to head for the Baltic rather than for the more promising Atlantic and North Sea theatres, makes little historical sense.

Behold Memel




I will take some work - But yes - we should start our campaign here

[gap]

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Thanks again Gap
When I make the final patch for v2.1 - I will reflect on this and use the best method to creat these raids.

Originally Posted by Trevally.

It may not be 30 stukas but it will try to represent them.

Yep, 30 are too many for SH5 to handle them at once

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Like wise the Polish ships - I had to use DDs to defend (lay mines) the bay.

If you want, we can check what the Polish units involved in The Battle of the Danzig Bay looked like, look for existing SH5/imported units resembling them, clone them, rearm them (even repaint them, if required), and put them in game as Polish vessels. What do you think?

Originally Posted by Trevally.

The Polish subs are in their correct locations.

In case you didn't notice it, each letter in the above map is a submarine. Google translate told me that big letters are operation areas and small letters "battery recharging" areas

Originally Posted by Trevally.

I have also changed history a wee bit with the German surface ships. The taskforce is kept together and makes for the bay

That seems fully acceptable

What would be very cool is if a number of mines was spawned in the Danzig Bay, unless the Polish taskforce was destroyed before a certain date

[raven1309]

Hi
cant get out of Kiel now allays CTD

[gap]

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Behold Memel

I will take some work - But yes - we should start our campaign here

Being moved from Memel to Kiel, from Kiel to Wilhelmshaven, and from Wilhelmshaven to Lorient etc. will make a nice westward pogression

[Mikemike47]

Originally Posted by gap

Yes, and it is especially enjoyable learning them throuh a video game

Originally Posted by volodya61

Thank you, always interesting to learn something new about the events occurred long before my birth

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Yes - worth a testBehold Memel I will take some work - But yes - we should start our campaign here

Got me curious since I am 50% Lithuanian ancestry. Never knew about this part of history before.
Taken from ref:
Memel history

In December 1938, during elections to the local Parliament, the local German Nazis received 26 out of 29 seats, as a result of which the city became in fact a part of the German Reich. On the 22nd of March 1939 the German army entered Memel and the city and region were officially annexed to Germany, the city Memel serving as a base for the German navy during WW2.
On January the 28th 1945 Memel was liberated by the Red Army from Nazi rule. About 28% of its houses were totally ruined and more than 36% of the others badly damaged. Since then Memel (Klaipeda) and the region is part of Lithuania.


Now I can share a little history as others have on other issues.

[Trevally.]

Originally Posted by gap

If you want, we can check what the Polish units involved in The Battle of the Danzig Bay looked like, look for existing SH5/imported units resembling them, clone them, rearm them (even repaint them, if required), and put them in game as Polish vessels. What do you think?

I would gladly add them to the campaign

In case you didn't notice it, each letter in the above map is a submarine. Google translate told me that big letters are operation areas and small letters "battery recharging" areas

Ah - I did not know that.
I had them recharging on route south each time (back to waypoint 1)
I will update this also

What would be very cool is if a number of mines was spawned in the Danzig Bay, unless the Polish taskforce was destroyed before a certain date

Tis can be done and I will add it to my list