[REL] Realistic Sinking Physics - Page 20

LukeFF · 08-02-07, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WernerSobe

yea tnx. looks like its just a file from 1.0 version so the reason for ctd was never discovered. Anyway the CTD is gone. Just the work of 3 hours balancing the compartment layout is gone too.

I take it the fix for the Taihosan will be part of your next release? Or, rather, the need for that fix will no longer be needed?

WernerSobe · 08-02-07, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeFF

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Originally Posted by WernerSobe

yea tnx. looks like its just a file from 1.0 version so the reason for ctd was never discovered. Anyway the CTD is gone. Just the work of 3 hours balancing the compartment layout is gone too.

I take it the fix for the Taihosan will be part of your next release? Or, rather, the need for that fix will no longer be needed?

yes the next release will include that fix.

Rockin Robbins · 08-03-07, 09:49 AM

This is amazing work! The sheer variety of outcomes possible from an attack are wonderful. You can put 4 torpedoes into a ship that won't sink and steam about the unfairness of it all. You can fire one and the ship goes down. You don't complain about the unfairness of THAT. Hmmmm.... Sounds like real life to me.

It reminds me of a RL story I read about a sub turning a cargo ship into swiss cheese and finding out that the floatation of the cargo itself was preventing the ship from sinking. Chin up Werner! If people are complaining, you're on the right track.

Rattail · 08-03-07, 10:02 AM

Yo!
Will the new update include the sinking physics of the one I am battling to download? (Access denied. Invalid usernamke or password)

WernerSobe · 08-03-07, 12:53 PM

prorgress update: Im finished with small merchants and now working on medium ones. I can already tell you where the mod is heading to. Compared to 2.6 you will need less torpedoes for merchants and sinking rates will be slightly increased. Sinking for hours will be an exception, but possible. A light version will be added with greatly increased sinking rates for those who find that to slow. Ships that are hit at about center will instead of slow infiltration rather capsize and flip over. All ships will show less stability and sink much faster when water comes over decks. The strengh of bulkheads will be reduced so nearby compartments will start flooding sooner. When the ships are broken in two parts, the parts will corectly sink like a "V" not like an "A". Holes from torpedoe hits will appear smaller.

This list is not complete there will be more changes maybe. And im not sure sofar how much changes i need to do to warships. In any case i will separate main compartments of light cruisers, heavy cruisers, carriers and battleships. Now they are using the same setup which makes them take about the same amount of damage. I want battleships take more then light cruisers...

Seaman_Hornsby · 08-03-07, 01:02 PM

Sounds promising, Werner.

I'm looking forward to trying the new version!

kikn79 · 08-03-07, 01:15 PM

I am looking forward to trying out the new ship settings. I have greatly enjoyed this so far and I REALLY appreciate the time and effort you have put into this.

Thanks,
Chuck

Digital_Trucker · 08-03-07, 01:43 PM

Thanks for the update, Werner. Sounds like you're on a roll now

Can't wait to get it into play.

Warden · 08-03-07, 01:45 PM

Sounds like you're doing one hell of a job, can't wait to test it out myself.

Ducimus · 08-03-07, 05:29 PM

I never realized the damage model was that bad. Good work WernerSobe, your making huge advances for SH4!

Fearless · 08-03-07, 05:41 PM

Great stuff WernerSobe

chopped50ford · 08-03-07, 05:49 PM

again, thanks again for the update. CAnt wait for the next version.

CaptainKobuk · 08-03-07, 09:03 PM

Yeah as Decimus correctly said it is a huge advance to the game.

For your info WernerSobe, in stock SH4, it often takes up to 4 straight on bow hits on a chasing destroyer to convince them to back-off and die. At the moment i don't have your mod installed but the new improved version everyone is talking about sounds like a definite must have mod.

Since Destroyers even without your current mod can absorb a lot of bow hits don't sweat it trying to figure out if your new mod correctly models damage etc.

If anything, since your mod models compartments that fill with water and not "total hitpoints damage' to the whole ship, bow hits on DD's will at least slow them down.

Which reminds me. One of the worst aspects of the "hitpoints model" in the stock game, is ship speeds too often seem oblivious to any torpedo hits that don't push the total hitpoints number over the limit and sink that ship. So i'd like to start to see with your new mod a ship slow down if a torpedo or two blast it's propellers.

It would be a useful crippling strategy to hit the props of ship if proper effects were achieved in the game. The strategy could shift the need away from having to have to kill DD's first to have free pickings of the rest of the entire convoy. We could shot for props, cripple several cargo ships and pick'em off later with the deck cannon after the DD's give up the search. . Destroyers always eventually return to the main fleet and leave the crips behind to fend for themselves.

tater · 08-03-07, 11:49 PM

This looks like it will surely become another must have mod.

tater

nimitstexan · 08-04-07, 01:38 AM

Sounds very promising.

08-03-07, 09:49 AM	#288
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	A huge thumbs up for Realistic Sinking Physics This is amazing work! The sheer variety of outcomes possible from an attack are wonderful. You can put 4 torpedoes into a ship that won't sink and steam about the unfairness of it all. You can fire one and the ship goes down. You don't complain about the unfairness of THAT. Hmmmm.... Sounds like real life to me. It reminds me of a RL story I read about a sub turning a cargo ship into swiss cheese and finding out that the floatation of the cargo itself was preventing the ship from sinking. Chin up Werner! If people are complaining, you're on the right track. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

08-03-07, 01:02 PM	#291
Seaman_Hornsby Engineer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 203 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	Sounds promising, Werner. I'm looking forward to trying the new version! __________________ Friends, when once a man is launched on such an adventure as this, he must bid farewell to hopes and fears, otherwise death or deliverance will both come too late to save his honor and his reason.

08-03-07, 01:15 PM	#292
kikn79 Medic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rockford, IL Posts: 166 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Sounds Great!! I am looking forward to trying out the new ship settings. I have greatly enjoyed this so far and I REALLY appreciate the time and effort you have put into this. Thanks, Chuck

08-03-07, 05:41 PM	#296
Fearless Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,047 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 1	Great stuff WernerSobe __________________ Fearless System Specs: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8 Core 16 Thread CPU, 3.8GHz Base Clock, 4.7GHz Boost, 105W TDP, 32MB L3 cache \| MSI GeForce RTX3060Ti 8Gb Graphics \| Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32Gb (2x16Gb) 3200 MHz CL16 DDR4 Ram \| Samsung 970 Evo Plus NVMe SSD 1TB \| Seagate Barracuda 2.5in 2TB HDD \| AOC QHD 165 Hz FreeSync HDR curved 31.5in Monitor \| ASUS ROG Strix LC 240 ARGB AIO Liquid CPU Cooler White Edition \| ASUS ROG Strix Gold 750W Modular Power Supply \| Corsair iCUE 5000X RGB Tempered Glass Mid Tower Case White.

08-03-07, 05:49 PM	#297
chopped50ford Weps Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bentonville, AR Posts: 367 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	again, thanks again for the update. CAnt wait for the next version. __________________ TM2(SS) USS Asheville - Plankowner, Shellback, "Order of the Ditch" http://ths-i.com/

08-03-07, 10:02 AM	#289
Rattail Watch Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 30 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yo! Will the new update include the sinking physics of the one I am battling to download? (Access denied. Invalid usernamke or password)

08-03-07, 12:53 PM	#290
WernerSobe Commodore Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 625 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	prorgress update: Im finished with small merchants and now working on medium ones. I can already tell you where the mod is heading to. Compared to 2.6 you will need less torpedoes for merchants and sinking rates will be slightly increased. Sinking for hours will be an exception, but possible. A light version will be added with greatly increased sinking rates for those who find that to slow. Ships that are hit at about center will instead of slow infiltration rather capsize and flip over. All ships will show less stability and sink much faster when water comes over decks. The strengh of bulkheads will be reduced so nearby compartments will start flooding sooner. When the ships are broken in two parts, the parts will corectly sink like a "V" not like an "A". Holes from torpedoe hits will appear smaller. This list is not complete there will be more changes maybe. And im not sure sofar how much changes i need to do to warships. In any case i will separate main compartments of light cruisers, heavy cruisers, carriers and battleships. Now they are using the same setup which makes them take about the same amount of damage. I want battleships take more then light cruisers...

08-03-07, 01:43 PM	#293
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	Thanks for the update, Werner. Sounds like you're on a roll now Can't wait to get it into play.

08-03-07, 01:45 PM	#294
Warden Watch Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 25 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Sounds like you're doing one hell of a job, can't wait to test it out myself.

08-03-07, 05:29 PM	#295
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I never realized the damage model was that bad. Good work WernerSobe, your making huge advances for SH4!

08-03-07, 09:03 PM	#298
CaptainKobuk Helmsman Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 107 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yeah as Decimus correctly said it is a huge advance to the game. For your info WernerSobe, in stock SH4, it often takes up to 4 straight on bow hits on a chasing destroyer to convince them to back-off and die. At the moment i don't have your mod installed but the new improved version everyone is talking about sounds like a definite must have mod. Since Destroyers even without your current mod can absorb a lot of bow hits don't sweat it trying to figure out if your new mod correctly models damage etc. If anything, since your mod models compartments that fill with water and not "total hitpoints damage' to the whole ship, bow hits on DD's will at least slow them down. Which reminds me. One of the worst aspects of the "hitpoints model" in the stock game, is ship speeds too often seem oblivious to any torpedo hits that don't push the total hitpoints number over the limit and sink that ship. So i'd like to start to see with your new mod a ship slow down if a torpedo or two blast it's propellers. It would be a useful crippling strategy to hit the props of ship if proper effects were achieved in the game. The strategy could shift the need away from having to have to kill DD's first to have free pickings of the rest of the entire convoy. We could shot for props, cripple several cargo ships and pick'em off later with the deck cannon after the DD's give up the search. . Destroyers always eventually return to the main fleet and leave the crips behind to fend for themselves.

08-03-07, 11:49 PM	#299
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	This looks like it will surely become another must have mod. tater

08-04-07, 01:38 AM	#300
nimitstexan Loader Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 87 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Sounds very promising.