Some thoughts to ponder...

[ASWnut101]

mee too. Especially if shes an Ex-Marine.

[Yahoshua]

assault rifle

Grammar Nazi activated:

assault rifle 

1.A military rifle capable of both automatic and semiautomatic fire, utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge.


Unless your firearms are capable of F/A and Semi-Auto firing, it is NOT an assault rifle.

The more correct term is that it would be a civilian version of a current or former service rifle.

Grammar Nazi deactivated:

"paranoia will destroy ya`"

A paranoid man thinks people are after him. A prepared man knows people are after him.

But even if you're not paranoid, you still have enemies. And with the Supreme Court decision issued in Castle Rock vs. Gonzales and other cases, it'd be a good idea to carry concealed.

My reasoning being that a criminal will be deterred by the fear that his victim could be carrying a firearm. Open carry isn't going to do any good unless you're a LEO, a soldier, or with a group of people out at the shooting range.

And if you haven't taken a self-defense course (Kybher Intl. is an EXCELLENT company), I strongly recommend you take one. Not only would you be more prepared to defend yourself but you'd also be able to defend others as well. It's also important to remember that violence is the LAST resort. One must always (if possibly) attmept to defuse a potentially violent situation (read: no knives or threats involved yet) before resorting to use of your firearm to end the situation.

Bort, whaddya mean that it's not in favor of firearm ownership but an argument against rational thought? Are you referring to the article?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Yahoshua

assault rifle

Grammar Nazi activated:

assault rifle 

1.A military rifle capable of both automatic and semiautomatic fire, utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge....

That might be a German definition version. The ATF here in the US has an additional definition:

I think you got that def from this page that also includes a #2.:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assault%20rifle

assault rifle 

1.a military rifle capable of both automatic and semiautomatic fire, utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge.
2.a nonmilitary weapon modeled on the military assault rifle, usu. modified to allow only semiautomatic fire.

Here is another def for it:

assault rifle
n.
Any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles designed for individual use in combat.

[Yahoshua]

Not many troopers use bolt-action "assault rifles" in combat today while charging enemy held positions.

That was my primary point. And when did the ATF change their definition of "Assault Rifle" ? I must've missed that somewhere.

I also prefer to shy away from that term because of the "Antis'". Ya know, their whole "justification" thing for the children and all.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Yahoshua

Not many troopers use bolt-action "assault rifles" in combat today while charging enemy held positions.

That was my primary point. And when did the ATF change their definition of "Assault Rifle" ? I must've missed that somewhere.

I also prefer to shy away from that term because of the "Antis'". Ya know, their whole "justification" thing for the children and all.

I understand. I personally don't care since if I had to be shot and had the choice of being shot with an 'Assault Rifle' over a 'Shotgun', give me the rifle!!! The reason is, they are designed to kill more than they are designed to wound. Takes 2 people off the Battlefield - medic and wounded soldier is the mentallity. Last statistic I saw (based on AK-47) is that you have a 76% chance of living from being hit even multiple times, but when 12 guage buckshot was used, your chances dropped to 30%. Of course, the Assault rifle can deal with multiple people a lot better due to its high capacity mag, so there are always trade off's.

Anyway, if you dig through the ATF site, you can find mention of semi-automatic Assault rifles all the time. Here is one:

(C7) What records am I required to forward to ATF upon discontinuance of my business?[Back]
The records consist of the licensee's bound acquisition/disposition (A/D) records, ATF Forms 4473, ATF Forms 3310.4 (Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of Pistols and Revolvers), ATF Forms 3310.11 (Federal Firearms Licensee Theft/Loss Report), records of transactions in semiautomatic assault weapons, records of importation (ATF Forms 6 and 6A), and law enforcement certification letters. If the licensee was granted a variance to use a computerized record-keeping system, the licensee is required to provide a complete printout of the entire A/D records.
[27 CFR 478.127]

Here it is based on the now expired ban. These paragraphs are too long, so I won't post them in detail, but you get the idea:

O. SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS AND LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES (SAWs and LCAFDs)


(O1) What was the semiautomatic assault weapon (SAW) ban? [Back]

[Tchocky]

More people carrying guns on the streets?

The last thing I'd feel is safe.

[Yahoshua]

That definition is just messed up.

[madDdog67]

Subman1, just because the ATF says it, doesn't make it so. They can wake up tomorrow and intrepret a law differently, that will make us all criminals overnight.

The gun control crownd has very successfully brainwashed the general public into thinking that a semi auto copy of an M-16 is somehow different from any other semi auto rifle. My semi auto AR 15s are no more an assault rifle than my grand dad's Browning rifle was. The are functionally no different, and the Browning is based on the BAR that was used in both world wars. People have been hunting with semi auto rifles for over 75 years in this country, and all over the world, for that matter.

They've even managed to invent a class of firearms that doesn't exist...the "assualt pistol". What the @#$@#$@% is an "assualt pistol"??? According to them, I guess, it's a Tec 9 lol. You see where this is headed...they just want to ban *every* semi auto rifle and pistol ever made, but they need to demonize them first, so they've managed to insert the term "assault" into the debate, as a perjorative. "Who'd ever need an "assault" rifle?"

Of course, after they get the semi autos, then everything with a scope will be a "sniper rifle", and they'll come after those too.

Back to the story, though. I hope it's true...that I don't find it on Snopes.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by madDdog67

Subman1, just because the ATF says it, doesn't make it so. They can wake up tomorrow and intrepret a law differently, that will make us all criminals overnight.

The gun control crownd has very successfully brainwashed the general public into thinking that a semi auto copy of an M-16 is somehow different from any other semi auto rifle. My semi auto AR 15s are no more an assault rifle than my grand dad's Browning rifle was. The are functionally no different, and the Browning is based on the BAR that was used in both world wars. People have been hunting with semi auto rifles for over 75 years in this country, and all over the world, for that matter.

They've even managed to invent a class of firearms that doesn't exist...the "assualt pistol". What the @#$@#$@% is an "assualt pistol"??? According to them, I guess, it's a Tec 9 lol. You see where this is headed...they just want to ban *every* semi auto rifle and pistol ever made, but they need to demonize them first, so they've managed to insert the term "assault" into the debate, as a perjorative. "Who'd ever need an "assault" rifle?"

Of course, after they get the semi autos, then everything with a scope will be a "sniper rifle", and they'll come after those too.

Back to the story, though. I hope it's true...that I don't find it on Snopes.

I hear ya. I have shot thousands of rounds through both M-16's and AR-15's, and they are the same gun, same internal parts, etc. Just one has an extra stop on the fire selector, nothing more. Matter of fact, when I bought my AR-15, I stripped it and looked at each part to make aure that an M-16 part didn't accidently get put in it (I bought it from someone who has both M-16's and AR-15's). I don't want some guy on the range saying can I see your gun, looking at it, and saying you have a banned part in it and then arresting me. I get paranoid about following the law to a 'T' to make sure I don't have any problems.

Incase you care, this is how you can tell since you can't tell by simply looking at the rifle:

http://www.ar15.com/content/legal/AR15-M16Parts/

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

More people carrying guns on the streets?

The last thing I'd feel is safe.

That is quite the opposite reaction you should have. The issue is, 99.999% of the population will help you and protect you in an instance of need. The other .001% are the ones that want to hurt and rob you. The simple fact that those 99.999% of people are all carrying guns is what is called a deterrant to the .001% who will be 1000 times less likely to try something in the middle of the 99.999% of armed people.

This is how things have been throughout history. Your society is the first in history to walk around unarmed. I have been studying unarmed societies and their crime rates keep going up and up. Why? No consequence to ones actions is the simple answer. Contrast to the US of A and you will see just the opposite. Our crime rate hasn't been lower since the 1950's!!! The turn around has be attributed to the issuance of CWP's since they both coincide at about the same point in time. Of course, no one can be sure this is the exact reason, but it makes a strong case for the NRA guys.

-S

[SkvyWvr]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

That's right - she is a grandmother!!! Are you still in love???

-S

Hey...I'm a Grandfather.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

Hey...I'm a Grandfather.

Oops! Sorry! My Mistake!