Nazism in Germany on the march

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

2005 Northrhine-Westphalia 0.9%. And that´s Germany´s largest state, it also has the largest population of Muslims and foreigners percentage-wise.

Sure, 0.9% is still too much, but I bet that at least 80% of their voters are not Nazis and don´t actually hate foreigners, they were just unhappy with the current government and the economy.

Yes, but I stick to my statement that overall there is a small but constant gaion for the NPD since german reunification. Like i also said that there is a difference between West and East. Additonally, the NPD is only the most wellknown Neonazi organisation. There are several others as well, although none of them candidates during elections. Int the east there have repeatedly been reports from communities and small cities/cillages where sympathies and silent tolerance for NPD policies are reported to reach 30 and even 40% of local population.

From German wikipedia, "NPD": Note the election results 1966 to 1972. then came a long pause of almost insignificance, and then after reunificationa a second "revival", this time not in the West, but in the East. Sneaking Nazi paroles, btw, is a problem at Eastern as well as Western schools. Last year and the year vbefore we also had several reports about Nazism present and slowly advancing within the bundeswehr.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPD the table at the bottom of the article

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by fredbass

I don't know why you must always make statements which have no merit.

Now please don't take that as a flame, but rather, why don't you actually tell us something that is true.

Hm? Did you say something?

[TteFAboB]

Fascist parties in Germany, France, Austria, England and Italy have discovered that since NOBODY ELSE has the balls to raise a voice against Muslim immigration and Islam, if they do it they might catch some of these ears.

And it seems to work. These supporters don't realize that their opposition to Muslims is completely strategic and a side-issue just to score votes. That's actually how the original Nazis went from a minor representation to absolute majority, by fooling the people.

So do not silence, critic of Islam. If you allow the PC voices to silence you there will only be fascist voices left to oppose it and they will catch the votes instead.

Oh, but just a little dictatorial pressure is worth to corner Islam right? No it's not because if you elect these people they will do everything they can to remain in power, they do not believe they should step out if that's the wish of the people. The people only matters as long as they live according to the party's plan, obey and vote on them.

[Gizzmoe]

Yes, but I stick to my statement that overall there is a small but constant gaion for the NPD since german reunification. [..] Int the east there have repeatedly been reports from communities and small cities/cillages where sympathies and silent tolerance for NPD policies are reported to reach 30 and even 40% of local population.

Yep, but that doesn´t worry me (yet). The NPD is powerless and unprofessional. AFAIK there isn´t a single case where the NPD has managed to improve the situation (more jobs, better infrastructure, ...) in areas where they have large support. But that´s what people want.

Slogans alone are not enough, they need to show that they can get things done. If they show that they can indeed improve things in a major way in their areas, things that the four major parties weren´t able to do, I will get nervous, because that will likely result in a popularity boost throughout the country thanks to their propaganda machine.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

Yep, but that doesn´t worry me (yet). The NPD is powerless and unprofessional. AFAIK there isn´t a single case where the NPD has managed to improve the situation (more jobs, better infrastructure, ...) in areas where they have large support. But that´s what people want.

The young ones are more easily to impress, I'm afraid - and less rational. Poverty teaches either religion, or extremism, as the old knowledge tells us. And sometimes both, then one has some kind of a fanatised, missionary spirit, plus tunnel vision. Dangerous combination.

Slogans alone are not enough, they need to show that they can get things done. If they show that they can indeed improve things in a major way in their areas, things that the four major parties weren´t able to do, I will get nervous, because that will likely result in a popularity boost throughout the country thanks to their propaganda machine.

The NPD is only something like a needle in a gauge, I think. For everyone having the "guts" to vote them 8and not doing it for protest, but by conviction), there are several ones that silently sympathizes with them. This is what I think about. If the election results would really represent all Nazi-sympathizers there are, then we would be able to safely ignore them and watch them making fools of themselves. But I think the idea of nazism has an influence beyond what is indicated in those numbers, and it silently and slowly creeps forward, at least in the East. Attached to Nazism is organized crime, which probabaly currently is the most effective negative result it's presence is causing.

Concerning antisemitism, which also should be mentioned in this thread, maybe, I have no clear opinion on how big it is in Germany. Sometimes one could get the impression there is quite some ammount of it, but on the other hand judaic organisations, namely the Zentralrat der Juden in Deutschland, trigger enough antipathic, if not allergic reactions that even many Jews in Germany seem to distance themselves from them , at least ignore them. So to what degree "anti-semitism" is really a hostility towards Jews, or just antipathy towards a single organisation, I find hard to judge. I remember to have red comments by german correspindents in Israel that even the Israeli goivernment sometimes showed cautious irritation about something said by the Zentralrat. And the personnel they choose to represent them, often does not help to raise them any additinal sympathies - Michel Friedman and einz Galinski for example really are (were) perceived as polarizing the German public, to say the least. Current president Charlotte Knobloch seem to continue their tradition.

[kiwi_2005]

We have two nazi wannabies organisations in NZ the "National Front" and "Unit88" In the late 70's their was a Nazi party that got 36 votes :rotfl: Now and then they do their peace march up christchruch main street on a sunday, preaching about asians overrunning NZ. last time this happened they were attacked by asians. Their policy - to rid NZ of Asians and other undesirables, so the white man can make peace with the true land owners the Maori will be as one and rule the country. For some reason they side with the maoris.
We maoris are not white! :rotfl: