Some moral questions by a German... - Page 2

Redwine · 08-17-06, 08:40 AM

Well... how to explain in bad english....

Do not confuse german warriors with nazis... too much of them fight to protect their women and childs not for the Fuerer.

The german submarine forces rise up respect and admiration, for the sacrifice and the troubles they must to overpass to defend their country.

Their courage rise up respect on many people.

Personally i like submarine simulation, so i enjoy to play SH3 the same as SH1. I dont hate americans or british or japanese.

Puting at side some isolated cases of german and americans shooting survivors, their develope their job with courage and honor.

Many captains has onboard "political marshalls" because they was not considered "trusted" by nazis.

Sadly with this F@#$% WXP i cant play any more SH1

.
I cant believe why a XP installation is not released !

Will be good to have SH4 where we can choice american or japanese side.

War is a hell, but sadly is near to a "natural humanity condition" from we live into a cave. It is just part of reality, you like it or not.

I think so... the german campaign of the Alantic, and the american/japanese campaign of the Pacific are an example for future warriors of any country, disregarding politics flags....

slow_n_ez · 08-17-06, 08:46 AM

It really doesn't matter to me what side of a game I play on ... I try to engross myself in the role I find myself playing and in this case a Kaptain of a U-Boat following orders from my commander ..... Everytime I sink a ship weather a merchant or a warship I always watch and hope that everyone made it in the water or at least a life raft and didn't go down with the ship .... I am out to destroy the enemy's infastructure not kill people , however , I know some die at first torpedo impact ...............

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enaceo · 08-17-06, 08:51 AM

I never think to much about whose side I play in WW2 games.It is just a game.I would have no problem playing as an axis land soldier,navy troop,tank commander ...nor would I have anything against playing as an american ,english,polish,french,insert-country-here soldier or commander or something.What happened has already happened and we can not change it.The axis forces killed a lot of people,yes,but so did the allies didn't they?I would also not have a problem playing as an axis troop in games like COD (I was kind of dissapointed that you could play an american ,an english and a russian soldier,but the axis side was a no-no).As long as everything you shoot/destroy/bomb is just a bunch of pixels with colour on them ,I don't think it is "wrong" in a way.
On the market,WW2 games are almost all the time separated in 2 groups
1.Games like COD,Castle Wolfenstine ....which include only the allies ->this type probably includes most of the games .And
2.Games that also have axis-involvement,but no "toe-to-toe" games,like someone metioned(the IL-2 series,our beloved SH series,Codename:Panzers and other great games like these ones).
I personally think that it would be very interesting and a completely new experience to play a game as both an allied footsoldier and an axis footsoldier.The ordinary axis soldier had nothing personally to do with Hitler.He just followed his orders.He had nothing with the Jews,or with the westerners.I would personally enjoy a game from this perspective very very much.

Lovro · 08-17-06, 09:08 AM

I dont realy care which side I am playing- but I enjoy german side bacause it it so rare in PC gaming- there are 10000 games where you are the "hero" fighting against the evil nazi germans. I realy hate the kind of games which portrait the common german grunt as a bloodthisty animal

. In fact any war game/movie where one side is just bad. In reality there wasnt a big diffrence betwen US soldier or a german one. They both fought for their country because they were told to. The diffrence was in the leadership and their plans where it is clear who was the aggresor but looking it the other way the gratest people in history could also be portrait similar to hitler- Caesar, Alexander the great, Napoleon which all tryed to counquer the world. In their time zhey were hated by their foes who crushed them but in time history forgets this things and they are now remembered as great. I'm not saying hitler was great (expecially with his racial crap) but you'll see that with time public oppinion of him will rise in fact it is allready if you take a closer look.
BTW our country fought against him.

STEED · 08-17-06, 09:36 AM

Sordid, I have no problem playing WW2 Sims, after all it's not real. OK, they are based on actual events of WW2 and some people may find that offencive but I think that's a little over the top. And at the end of the day it's only a game.

The Noob · 08-17-06, 10:17 AM

Hello sordid.

First of all, Hallo Landsmann. Alles Leiwand?

(Styrian Here. Yeah, your German, but WTH).

And now, on Topic:

I play Germans. In WW2 games. To Land, Sea, and Air. And, as a side note, i'm Communist. Still i have no moral problems. Why? Because i don't play a Nazi, i play a normal soldier.
There is no game were you Play a "True Nazi". And thats a Good thing.

And, (Yeah i know that was postet like 20 times already) it's just a Game.

I am with Lovro in this matter.
I don't want to get Anti-American again, but it is just lame to play the American-Super-Hero for the 1000 time. Well, maybe not for Americans....

Give me Ruskies or Krauts for a change and i'm Pleased. At least in 1 Game per Year...

My Opinion.

Spaxspore · 08-17-06, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Redwine

Well... how to explain in bad english....

Do not confuse german warriors with nazis... too much of them fight to protect their women and childs not for the Fuerer.

The german submarine forces rise up respect and admiration, for the sacrifice and the troubles they must to overpass to defend their country.

Their courage rise up respect on many people.

Exactly what i was going to say, dont confuse the SS/NAZIs with the regular german army/airforce/navy. In fact as early as 1939 german army generals planned on assasinating hitler, however due to his victories he was to popular at the time. They tried later in 1944 and failed, a couple of the generals commited sucide, Rommel was among the ones who ploted and was basically forced to commit sucide to protect his family.

So no i dont think all germans who particpated in WW2, knew or particapted in the death camps ect. If they did it was proably just whispered rummors. Heck people living in towns/cities less then 5miles away say (dont know if they were telling the truth or not) that they never knew of the camps.

From Wikipedia
"The plot against Hitler

May 1944, Rommel (right) with his closest staff members: (L to R), his personal aide Captain Hellmuth Lang, his chief naval aide Admiral Friedrich Ruge, and his chief of staff General Hans Speidel, all of whom were heavily involved in the anti-Nazi conspiracy within the Wehrmacht.

A memorial at the site of Field Marshall Erwin Rommel's suicide outside of the town of Herrlingen, Baden-Württemberg, Germany (west of Ulm).

On July 17, 1944 Rommel's staff car was strafed by an RCAF Spitfire (piloted by Charley Fox), and he was hospitalized with major head injuries. (However, Rommel always maintained that the aircraft had been American) In the meantime, after the failed July 20 Plot against Adolf Hitler a major crackdown was conducted throughout the Wehrmacht. As the investigation proceeded, numerous connections started appearing that tied Rommel with the conspiracy, in which many of his closest aides were deeply involved. At the same time, local Nazi party officials reported on Rommel's extensive and scornful criticism of Nazi leadership during the time he was hospitalized. Bormann was certain of Rommel's involvement, Goebbels was not.
The true extent of Rommel's knowledge of, or involvement with, the plot is still unclear. After the war, however, his wife maintained that Rommel had been against the plot as it was carried out. It has been stated that Rommel wanted to avoid giving future generations of Germans the perception that the war was lost because of backstabbing, the infamous Dolchstoßlegende, as it was commonly believed by some Germans following WWI. Instead, he favored a coup where Hitler would be taken alive and made to stand trial before the public.
Recent evidence however, seems to indicate that Rommel was aware of the July 20 plot and the intentions of Claus von Stauffenberg but was cautious to avoid participation not merely because of the chance of repeating the 'November Criminals' fable. He was all too aware of the crudity and poorly organised nature of the plot, and the slim chance of the Western Allies accepting a separate peace. He thus took an objective and realistic attitude towards the planned coup against Hitler and his cabinet, though for all his forbearance and cautious nature he still fell foul of Hitler's growing paranoia and petty hatred towards the Prussian officer caste. It was even reported that shortly after Rommel regained consciousness following his accident that he confided to his son in private "Stauffenberg botched his plans, but a front line officer would have finished Hitler off".
Because of Rommel's popularity with the German people, Hitler gave him an option to commit suicide with cyanide or face a humiliating sham trial before Roland Freisler's "People's Court" and the murder of his family and staff. Rommel ended his own life on October 14, 1944, and was buried with full military honours. After the war his diary was published as The Rommel Papers. He is the only member of the Third Reich establishment to have a museum dedicated to his person and his career. His grave can be found in Herrlingen, a short distance west of Ulm."

Redwine · 08-17-06, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by slow_n_ez

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Many many thanks Slownez... but i attempt that two times unsucessful

It is a little bit complex.

May be because i have a windows 95 not DOS SH1 Commander version...

08-17-06, 10:49 AM

I'm an American, born in 1950, so I grew up with the attitude that Allies are good guys, Germans and Japanese are evil. Of course I know that people are people everywhere, but that was the way books and movies of my youth showed the war.

I play games with miniatures on a tabletop, and somebody has to play both sides. I enjoy air war sims, and I'll play any side. For me the thing is I like the machinery. I love the Mustang and Thunderbolt, but I also love the Bf-109 and Mitsubishi Reisen ('Zero'). Likewise U-boats were awesome weapons, and commanding one is every bit as intrigueing as commanding any American sub. The locations (starting ports) are interesting places that I'll probably never get to visit in real life, and the action is different and yet similar at the same time.

In air and naval combat people still die, but it's usually abstract: you're there to shoot the other guy's plane down, not to kill him personally. That's why stories of people actually shooting at parachutes are few and far between. It's the same with ships: you sink ships, you help survivors. Again, there are stories of sailors shooting the enemy in the water, but not many stories like that.

You're point about land-based units, especially individual soldiers, is the main reason I don't normally play those kind of games. I wanted to fly planes, I wanted to be on a ship, but I have never wanted to be a foot-soldier, in any army.

HunterICX · 08-17-06, 10:56 AM

In WW2 games I mostly pick the german side for some reasons
*they impressed me what they have achieved as an Army
*Their Tools where far more advanced then the allies
*They have lost the war and so its an challenge to survive till the end
*They used good strategy's

I respect what the Allies have done for us but they dont impressed me by How they have done it and thats Quantity and Brutal Force

I have seen many docs on TV about the WW2 and mostly you see the germans outsmart with smaller number and the Americans having trouble by gettin the germans for example out of their Foxholes , and then some Hyper Hollywood General Decides to drop a massiv amount of Bombs on that place that afterwards nothing is left....but the germans are still their standing their ground...and the American General called that an Precise Bombing action....''Riiiiight''

Now I dont like the russians either because of their ways of combat. Sending 10,000 men without any Gun just to get the germans waste some bullets on them really makes me Puke. Also what they promised to the polish last defenders that they would help them if they keep the germans busy for a while....it resulted in an slaughter of the last few defenders of the polish army. that made me angry also that the allies didnt gave the polish soldiers any credit for their bravery and support in the World War 2. for example the Battle of Arhnem , they blamed the polish that they have lost that battle....while the Military intelligence knew that there was an Killer group of the SS division. so sending men there was an suicidal mission.

On the brittish I have not much to say against, they went into combat with Honor.
And also I haven’t seen a lot of Docs off them on TV

On the german side I separate them in 2 parts
1: The regular Soldiers, those who went into combat and acted like an Soldier,
I respect them what they have achieved and the way of how they where, they didn’t kill civilians on purpose. I think they where named the Wehrmacht or something like that.

2: The SS Death Squad, I do not respect them, they have slaughered civilians because they where Jews, I cant call these men soldiers, I call them the Nazi bastards. I don’t have much to say about these guys because they where the lowest lifeform I ever knew.

Also I want to recall the WORST bastards on the german Side, those where the Inktsucking bastards behind their Desk and they had no combat experience and they punished soldiers who in their eyes betrayed the Reich if you followed some docs on TV you know what I talk about. Saying that they aren’t worthy to the Fuhrer and that they received the Death penalty…’’What The ****’’

I have not a lot of experience In the history of naval combat but that’s one of the reasons I like SH3 a lot. Because its new and an wild way of hunting down ur enemy and bring them down to the bottom.

Now as for Games

As far as I know I don’t really mind wich side I play, I still if I can choose I would pick the germans, (reason shown above) as such I don’t like games that are in the style of Hollywood. Dramatic movie style start that you get ur ass kicked by the enemy forces and you’re one of the few survivors that are in for revenge…PUKE!!! Give me something that feels real. That’s why I like SH3, at start you can take it easy but after an while progressing in the game itself you are struggling to make it till the end of the war and the British/USA forces are making that really Hard. Like I saw in the mission editor that there will be a lot of hunter killer groups in ’44 I,m not looking forward to get in that year, I,m now enjoying my sinkings without having to much problems (silent rig and dive to 100 Meters when possible)
But as I have seen on many u-boat sites that at start the germans had an big amount of tonnage for an few u-boat losses. And ofcourse as I see that the tonnage rate of the germans are going down and that there are a lot of U-boat losses I think I pretty know what is waiting for me after 1942-43.

My final thoughts

In game I see no matter what side the enemy as an enemy
For example if I,m American/British, I see the german as Enemy that are after my balls. I don’t see them as Nazi Bastard that I want the beat the hell out of it and throw them with their guts in my hand in to the firery pits of HELL.

And as german I see the American/British not as the GOOD GUYS I see them as an enemy that are invading or attack the reich. And even that I now that in history they lost..that I will stand my ground

And I love to handle the weapons/Vehicles/Equipment from the WW2.

Greets

‘’Sorry for the length’’

rjcjunior · 08-17-06, 11:19 AM

I think that is important for the historical moment. An interveiw with A. Hitler for a brazilian magazine in the early days off the war.

VEJA - In 21 of May of 1935, you it announced a pact of not-aggression with the Poles, affirming that Germany recognized the Poland as the “native land of a conscientious people”. Now, four years later, it convokes the German troops to attack this population and to occupy its lands. What it moved since then in its head? Hitler - First she is necessary to explain that an entire province was pulled out of the Reich and that other territories German had been deliver to the Polish state under the justification of a supposed national unit, for occasion of the Treated one to Versailles. Then: later, plebiscites in all these places had shown that none of them desired to be part of the Polish state, that if it erected on the blood of countless regiments German. A thing was proven in these last twenty years: the Poles, who had not established the culture of these regions, had not known to keep it. Thirty years had been enough to again reduce to the barbarism these territories that the Germans, with great difficulty, had civilized. The traces of this retrocession were visible for all the sides.

VEJA - But this justified an invasion? Hitler - the daily one of the Germans in these territories was horrible. One was about a state constructed and supported in the base of the force and the truculência of the policy and the military. But the world if kept deaf person and dumb for the suffering of millions of Germans who had been forced to leave its native land for the Treated one to Versailles. Still thus, I tried to search a solution that led just to an agreement. I submitted this attempt to the Polish governing under the form of verbal proposals that were more than reasonable. You know them. Sincerely I do not know where mental conditions were the leader ones when they had refuted these proposals. E, as reply, the Poland gave the order for the first mobilization. Then the savagery of the terror started. E was impossible for a great force as Germany to tolerate such acts. The Poland chose the war, and it received it.

VEJA - the German military victory in the campaign of the Poland was uncosteded, and its rapidity surprised the majority of the international observers. The German army already completely is remade of the defeat in the Great War, in 1918? Hitler - Certainly. With less of one week of combat, he did not have more doubt of the result. When the Polish troops had found the units German, or had been defeated or repelled. The idea of a great offensive Pole against the territory of the Reich ruiu in first the 48 hours of the campaign. The German units had always been ladies of the situation, in all the battles. Of the day for the night, most of the Polish military force was massacreed, captured or relieved. Meanwhile, the German army obtained to advance distances and to occupy regions that, have 25 years, would have taken 14 months to conquer. E this always respecting the rules of the game. I very gave a clear order in this campaign so that lives human beings were saved.

VEJA - the stories are not these that come of front. Hitler - Not, gentleman. In the places where the people had not offered resistance, I guarantee that nor a glassware was broken. In the Cracóvia, no bomb was shot, except in the fields of landing, railroads and railroad stations, that were objective military. On the other hand, in Warsaw the war was lead by armed civilians in all the houses and streets. There, obviously, the war if spread for the entire city. We follow these rules now and would like seguiz them in the future. It is at the hands of our adversaries the decision to lead its strategy of a compatible with the international laws or incompatible form with them. We will know in adapting them to this choice.

VEJA - But it was reported that seven Squadrons of Special Action, the Einsatzgruppen calls, had been in the Poland exterminando of arbitrary form integrant sectors of the Polish intellectual elite and of the Jewish community… Hitler - Well, this is one another question. One is about the racial purificação. During all my life, I have been a true prophet, and costumo to be ridicularizado therefore. At the time of my fight for power, when it said that one day would take the leadership of the state and the nation and, among others things, would decide the question of the Jews, the Jewish race received my prophecy with laugh. But I find that, already it has some time, such laugh had ceased. E, at the beginning of this year, I made a new prophecy: if the Jewish financiers of inside and of are of the Europe had success in one more time placing the countries in a world-wide war, the result would not be the implantation of the bolchevismo in the world, with the consequence the victory of the Jews, but the destruction of the race mistreats in the Europe. The war is there… E my prophecy is being fulfilled again.

VEJA - How to explain its extreme animosity stops with the Jews? It believes you that the anti-semitism will be able to decide the problems of Germany? Hitler - the judaism not only has a pernicious effect in national level as well as in personal level, in the bad impression left for each Jewish individual. As result, some can take the anti-semitism as a movement of emotional and strict individual character. This does not correspond to the reality. Anti-semitism as a movement politician cannot and it does not have to be molded by emotional factors, and yes for the recognition of the facts. VEJA - Which would be they, then? Hitler - the facts are that, for the Jews, the value of an individual more is not determined by its character or for the sum of its acts for the community, and yes only for the size of its wealth. Everything that moves somebody to reach bigger objectives, either the religion, the socialism or the democracy, is for the mere half Jews for an end, a form to satisfy its greed and its headquarters of being able. The result of this is the racial tuberculosis of the nation. Therefore, the rational anti-semitism must englobar a legitimate and systematic fight against the privileges enjoyed for the Jews, and its final objective must be the total removal of the Jews of our way. This only can be reached by a strong government, not for an impotent government. E we are a strong government.

VEJA - Treat to Not-Aggression the Nazi-Soviet it gave force still more to Germany? Some believe to be about an agreement between gangsters, who had agreed to not raising weapons between itself to only have the guarantee of being able to commit aggressions in other fronts unpunishedly. Hitler - I have listened that the cooperation between Germany and Russia comes being considered a terrible crime in Great-Britain and France. A British arrived to write that it is perfidious. , They are well that they know. I believe that Great-Britain takes this cooperation as perfidious because the cooperation enters democratic Great-Britain with bolchevista Russia failed, whereas Germany Socialist Nacional with Soviet Russia gave certain. He wanted to use to advantage this moment to give an explanation: Russia is as it is, and Germany also. A thing is clear for the two regimes: nor Germany nor Russia will accept to sacrifice one man for the interest of the occidental democracies alone. A lesson of four years was enough for both the peoples. Germany has limited, however clear and unalterable claims, and will go to effect them of a form or another one. Now, if the occidental forces find that these claims cannot be materialize under no circumstance, and if Great-Britain in particular will be determined if to oppose they in a three war, five or eight years, that are.

VEJA - First it said you that he did not desire to the war under hypothesis some. In 1933, it arrived to affirm: “They insult me it repeating that I want the war. I will be wild? The war? But the war nothing would decide. It would only make to aggravate the situation of the world.” However, now you it seems radiating the perspective of a long battle in European territory, especially against Great-Britain, that Winston led back Churchill to the Admiralty (she reads note in the section People). After all, the war is or it is not the best européias form to decide pendengas? Hitler - It sees well: with the war, the national wealth of the Europe will go to get rid themselves, and the vigor of each nation will be wasted in the battlefields. Necessity Churchill and its friends can interpret this opinion as a weakness or cowardice, if want. I am not worried about what they think. I make this affirmation simply to show that it would like to save my people of this suffering. If, however, the opinions of Churchill and its followers, the lords of the war to prevail, this affirmation will be my last one. We will have then to fight. E weapons nenhumas will conquer Germany. It will never have another November of 1918 in German history. It is an infantile error to desire the disintegration of our people. Necessity Churchill can be presumptuous of the victory of Great-Britain. I do not doubt for one alone moment that Germany will leave victorious person. The destination will say who is certain. http://veja.abril.uol.com.br/especia...dex_flash.html
antecipated apologizes if any one that to find itself insulted by the interview. ;°)

SkvyWvr · 08-17-06, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rjcjunior

I think that is important for the historical moment. An interveiw with A. Hitler for a brazilian magazine in the early days off the war. VEJA - In 21 of May of 1935, you it announced a pact of not-aggression with the Poles, affirming that Germany recognized the Poland as the “native land of a conscientious people”. Now, four years later, it convokes the German troops to attack this population and to occupy its lands. What it moved since then in its head? Hitler - First she is necessary to explain that an entire province was pulled out of the Reich and that other territories German had been deliver to the Polish state under the justification of a supposed national unit, for occasion of the Treated one to Versailles. Then: later, plebiscites in all these places had shown that none of them desired to be part of the Polish state, that if it erected on the blood of countless regiments German. A thing was proven in these last twenty years: the Poles, who had not established the culture of these regions, had not known to keep it. Thirty years had been enough to again reduce to the barbarism these territories that the Germans, with great difficulty, had civilized. The traces of this retrocession were visible for all the sides. VEJA - But this justified an invasion? Hitler - the daily one of the Germans in these territories was horrible. One was about a state constructed and supported in the base of the force and the truculência of the policy and the military. But the world if kept deaf person and dumb for the suffering of millions of Germans who had been forced to leave its native land for the Treated one to Versailles. Still thus, I tried to search a solution that led just to an agreement. I submitted this attempt to the Polish governing under the form of verbal proposals that were more than reasonable. You know them. Sincerely I do not know where mental conditions were the leader ones when they had refuted these proposals. E, as reply, the Poland gave the order for the first mobilization. Then the savagery of the terror started. E was impossible for a great force as Germany to tolerate such acts. The Poland chose the war, and it received it. VEJA - the German military victory in the campaign of the Poland was uncosteded, and its rapidity surprised the majority of the international observers. The German army already completely is remade of the defeat in the Great War, in 1918? Hitler - Certainly. With less of one week of combat, he did not have more doubt of the result. When the Polish troops had found the units German, or had been defeated or repelled. The idea of a great offensive Pole against the territory of the Reich ruiu in first the 48 hours of the campaign. The German units had always been ladies of the situation, in all the battles. Of the day for the night, most of the Polish military force was massacreed, captured or relieved. Meanwhile, the German army obtained to advance distances and to occupy regions that, have 25 years, would have taken 14 months to conquer. E this always respecting the rules of the game. I very gave a clear order in this campaign so that lives human beings were saved. VEJA - the stories are not these that come of front. Hitler - Not, gentleman. In the places where the people had not offered resistance, I guarantee that nor a glassware was broken. In the Cracóvia, no bomb was shot, except in the fields of landing, railroads and railroad stations, that were objective military. On the other hand, in Warsaw the war was lead by armed civilians in all the houses and streets. There, obviously, the war if spread for the entire city. We follow these rules now and would like seguiz them in the future. It is at the hands of our adversaries the decision to lead its strategy of a compatible with the international laws or incompatible form with them. We will know in adapting them to this choice. VEJA - But it was reported that seven Squadrons of Special Action, the Einsatzgruppen calls, had been in the Poland exterminando of arbitrary form integrant sectors of the Polish intellectual elite and of the Jewish community… Hitler - Well, this is one another question. One is about the racial purificação. During all my life, I have been a true prophet, and costumo to be ridicularizado therefore. At the time of my fight for power, when it said that one day would take the leadership of the state and the nation and, among others things, would decide the question of the Jews, the Jewish race received my prophecy with laugh. But I find that, already it has some time, such laugh had ceased. E, at the beginning of this year, I made a new prophecy: if the Jewish financiers of inside and of are of the Europe had success in one more time placing the countries in a world-wide war, the result would not be the implantation of the bolchevismo in the world, with the consequence the victory of the Jews, but the destruction of the race mistreats in the Europe. The war is there… E my prophecy is being fulfilled again. VEJA - How to explain its extreme animosity stops with the Jews? It believes you that the anti-semitism will be able to decide the problems of Germany? Hitler - the judaism not only has a pernicious effect in national level as well as in personal level, in the bad impression left for each Jewish individual. As result, some can take the anti-semitism as a movement of emotional and strict individual character. This does not correspond to the reality. Anti-semitism as a movement politician cannot and it does not have to be molded by emotional factors, and yes for the recognition of the facts. VEJA - Which would be they, then? Hitler - the facts are that, for the Jews, the value of an individual more is not determined by its character or for the sum of its acts for the community, and yes only for the size of its wealth. Everything that moves somebody to reach bigger objectives, either the religion, the socialism or the democracy, is for the mere half Jews for an end, a form to satisfy its greed and its headquarters of being able. The result of this is the racial tuberculosis of the nation. Therefore, the rational anti-semitism must englobar a legitimate and systematic fight against the privileges enjoyed for the Jews, and its final objective must be the total removal of the Jews of our way. This only can be reached by a strong government, not for an impotent government. E we are a strong government. VEJA - Treat to Not-Aggression the Nazi-Soviet it gave force still more to Germany? Some believe to be about an agreement between gangsters, who had agreed to not raising weapons between itself to only have the guarantee of being able to commit aggressions in other fronts unpunishedly. Hitler - I have listened that the cooperation between Germany and Russia comes being considered a terrible crime in Great-Britain and France. A British arrived to write that it is perfidious. , They are well that they know. I believe that Great-Britain takes this cooperation as perfidious because the cooperation enters democratic Great-Britain with bolchevista Russia failed, whereas Germany Socialist Nacional with Soviet Russia gave certain. He wanted to use to advantage this moment to give an explanation: Russia is as it is, and Germany also. A thing is clear for the two regimes: nor Germany nor Russia will accept to sacrifice one man for the interest of the occidental democracies alone. A lesson of four years was enough for both the peoples. Germany has limited, however clear and unalterable claims, and will go to effect them of a form or another one. Now, if the occidental forces find that these claims cannot be materialize under no circumstance, and if Great-Britain in particular will be determined if to oppose they in a three war, five or eight years, that are. VEJA - First it said you that he did not desire to the war under hypothesis some. In 1933, it arrived to affirm: “They insult me it repeating that I want the war. I will be wild? The war? But the war nothing would decide. It would only make to aggravate the situation of the world.” However, now you it seems radiating the perspective of a long battle in European territory, especially against Great-Britain, that Winston led back Churchill to the Admiralty (she reads note in the section People). After all, the war is or it is not the best européias form to decide pendengas? Hitler - It sees well: with the war, the national wealth of the Europe will go to get rid themselves, and the vigor of each nation will be wasted in the battlefields. Necessity Churchill and its friends can interpret this opinion as a weakness or cowardice, if want. I am not worried about what they think. I make this affirmation simply to show that it would like to save my people of this suffering. If, however, the opinions of Churchill and its followers, the lords of the war to prevail, this affirmation will be my last one. We will have then to fight. E weapons nenhumas will conquer Germany. It will never have another November of 1918 in German history. It is an infantile error to desire the disintegration of our people. Necessity Churchill can be presumptuous of the victory of Great-Britain. I do not doubt for one alone moment that Germany will leave victorious person. The destination will say who is certain. http://veja.abril.uol.com.br/especia...dex_flash.html antecipated apologizes if any one that to find itself insulted by the interview. ;°)

No man, I just hope you didn't forget to breath.

rjcjunior · 08-17-06, 11:27 AM

OH OH OH

sorry about that

Myxale · 08-17-06, 11:46 AM

Lo! Landsmann!

Well, this was a question that came out of nowhere!

Why do we play german - or rather games as germans during WWII- without moral conflicts! Well first off: There are no real moral conflicts in a game.

I'm a big fan of OPF and i still enjoy this Game, even if its make me Kill dozens of Russian; American; British; German, Chinese and what ever armed forces modmaker pull off! This is not a statement of life it's just a game. I would never harm those people in any way! Or think low of them, just because they're the big bad in the game!
I also play Falcon:AF and still don't want to drop Bombs on Serbia or North Korea for real!

And i know, that being german doesn't mean that your a nazi. Not then not now.
Being a Nazi means embracing a mindset and a way of thinking!
There is not shame to be proud your history. There was/is more to germany than just Hitler!

Most of us here have a fascination about everything Naval. Me, I'm totally into U-Boote form WWI and WWII.

And since we're at it: I don't believe, no matter how much the media stresses this, that games where you play as a bad guy or a german, makes you turn into a Nazi and kill fellow classmates in the school!

Sorry for the rant!

N'abend!:hmm:

The Noob · 08-17-06, 12:02 PM

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