The future of europe?/Islam threads (Merged)

[Tchocky]

I've found that most immigration is based on desire to return, e.g. Ireland in the 60/70/80's.

Shutting off borders wont help anyone

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

It was reported in news reports of the last 5-7 days that Italy and Spain additionally to the already coming immigrants have to expect more immigration from Africa, not longer counting by the tens and hundreds of thousands, but by the many milliosn over the next years.

Most of them are male, bringing there hormones with them.

[Wim Libaers]

Originally Posted by Skybird

You may want to check your option three. In Germany, Nazis and right wing extremists openly hail Ahmadinejad and follow close cooperation with Islamist organization, because of the denial of the holocaust and both Nazism and Islam aim ant the destruction of Western constitutional fundaments and national structures. That I am openly hostile towards Islam does not automatically mean that I have sympathies for right wing extremists. I still consider myself a man of the "centre". It's just that Nazism/fascism and Islam are so much off-centre and share so intense totalitarian tendencies that I cannot avoid needing to fight against them BOTH.

Not every right-wing nationalist party is also a Nazi party. And in some countries, those parties are unfortunately the only ones who are not pro-multicult.

[TteFAboB]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I've found that most immigration is based on desire to return, e.g. Ireland in the 60/70/80's.

Shutting off borders wont help anyone

Borders MUST be shut to those who seek to destroy the nation they are immigrating to.

You have or apply for citizenship? Good for you, return. You are a Muslim from 10 generations of North African people? Sorry, stay there and be happy.

Now, of course, immigration can be reduced by physically closing the borders, however, there will always be Muslim immigration as long as the Muslim homeworld is one of the worst places to live on Earth. Some places are better than the others, but even decadent Europe is more attractive to them.

So, you can only minimize immigration by denying entrance, vista and citizenship, but if you don't do something for their home land many will continue to leave seeking a "better" life.

Now you know why Muslim Fundamentalists are the only viable, organized opposition in all Muslim nations, they know prosperity will sabotage their plans, and so they worked for decades to become the strongest political force next to the dominant class. In other words, you're doomed if you don't do anything, and you're doomed if you allow elections to take place with this organized Islamist group ready to take power and destroy the electoral process that allowed them to get there.

[XabbaRus]

I'm less in favour of the EU now than a long time back but I am also frightened by what I am reading here. You see I fear the rise of nazi/fascist groups that will start off at muslims and then anyone who is not native.

I am not denying that there are issues with immigrants not intergrating and that the EU has gone PC bollocks mad. I have no problem with stricter immigration controls across the board, whether you are from Pakistan and have no money or a rich Russian oligarch.

I think that unless you are marrying a Brit visas should be limited, and also even if you are marrying that means only you not your whole family can then tag along.

Skybird if you have alink to that article I wouldn't mind reading that interview.

I just reckon that inthe UK at least there will be a big bollocks race war before the end of the next decade.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

I just reckon that inthe UK at least there will be a big bollocks race war before the end of the next decade.

What

Race war

Well I would not go that far but I would not rule out riots breaking out. With the present events of the police raid ending in a sham and the two brothers now giving their side of the story. It's a case of watch this space, for the benefit to everyone else here's that story.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5075352.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5075952.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/default.stm

There are three major problems in the U.K.

1. Political Correctness
2. Rules & Regulations coming out of the E.U. Parliament
3. Immigration

These are the big three major problems and from them comes even more problems. Are three major political parties are so weak they bow down to the E.U. Parliament with out a fight. And the worst an offender of them all is Tony Blair who is so busy sucking up to them, arranging his next job with them it makes me sick. And on the whole are political parties are running scared of the P.C. lobby which seems to control our politics. There is no doubt the U.K. is on the skids and going down the plug hole we need a very big shake up before it’s too late.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Skybird if you have alink to that article I wouldn't mind reading that interview.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...0/nterr110.xml

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Skybird

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...0/nterr110.xml

Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari suggests this country should adopt more Islamic ways.

His aim, he says, will be to encourage Britain to adopt more Muslim ways as well as to encourage Muslims to be good British citizens. He thinks that non-Muslim Britons would benefit from having arranged marriages and espousing stronger family values; they would also do well to stop drinking and gambling and to follow many of the teachings of Islam.

Who dose he think he is saying that? I will never adopt muslim ways I got better things to do in my life than going around bending over backward's to plonker's like him.

[Skybird]

Read along, he is slick as an eel. I almost believed some of hist statements. Almost The mixture of reasonable thoughts most people could agree on, and the price for them: the declaration of wanting to push for more and more Islamic rules is what makes him so dangerous. The first wil be haioled, the second ignored. Becasue, as we all know, politicians most liked sentence is "I am optimistic."

[STEED]

Skybird, indeed he is walking on a tight rope, but the every day Muslim’s don’t give a toss about the Muslim council of England and most of them never heard of it.

[Skybird]

So what? We have in Germany the Zentralrat der Muslime in Deutschland, which is a hidden incarnation of the ultra-fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood. It also represents only a minorty of Muslims, though saying differently. Nevertheless it is Islam's representation which politicians do adress. The socalled moderates that do not care for them, nevertheless allow them to define the grounds and the future of Islam in Europe, and they also allow their voices not been heared. I wonder why. Fellow travellers may be seen as harmless, nevertheless by not hindering those minorities speaking in their names - they actively enable and support it through. They share the same responsebility as those that officially are in office. Just remember the masses of Germans in the thirties that were amused and bewildered by Hitler, and never thought he would make it to the top, thus they laughed and ignored him in desinterest. The majority of Germans were not Nazis, or followers of Hitler. Nevertheelss by their inactivity they made Hitler possible. I do not see fellow travellers as innocents. If this Muslim fellow is not representing the m ajority of Muslims, than they should get rid of him, else I take it that they do not care and are willing to let him have his ways. Which makes them passive suppoorters in my eyes. Fly with the crows, get shot with the crows. If a new Hitler would rise in Germany, and I would say in this forum I do not care, I would get crucified for sure.

[Yahoshua]

So.....now that we all recogniz the problem here:


My proposal is we all buy large quantities of 7.92x54 mm ammo and rifles to use them with.....(A G3 each would be nice but they're expensive, so something similar to a FAL might work).

Then we can all join the heyday.......or eat popcorn and watch the fun on the sidelines.

[joea]

Originally Posted by Yahoshua

So.....now that we all recogniz the problem here:


My proposal is we all buy large quantities of 7.92x54 mm ammo and rifles to use them with.....(A G3 each would be nice but they're expensive, so something similar to a FAL might work).

Then we can all join the heyday.......or eat popcorn and watch the fun on the sidelines.

Wow this site is slipping into facism and calling for genocide.

[Yahoshua]

You're jumping the cliff early here bud.....if there's a civil war brewing, I'd vry much like to be prepared for it. I'm not calling for a Crusade v.s. Jihad.

Just keep some electric generators and PBAs' handy (along with a few thousand rounds of ammo).

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by joea

Wow this site is slipping into facism and calling for genocide.

It's a cyclic thing as of the last few months

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Three problems I've consistently observed in this line of discussion for the past while.

1) It's an unwritten rule of internet debates that anyone who brings up comparisons to Hitler should automatically lose the debate. I tend to agree.

2) The dehumanizing aspect of this worries me, and I mean this not just for one side of this. There has been wonderful proof of the muslim threat, yes, and then come the extreme outbursts of 'let's get ourselves some 7.62mm ammo stocked up', and everyone is good and happy.
How are you better than your bad evil muslim friends this way? Assuming they're still back in the middle ages, you folks are rapidly calling all of us to go back there as well. Where's your justification for this?

3) Where is the solution? "The final solution"? Anything I've heard solution-wise to this is either a bad joke or a thinly-veiled allusion to genocide. I have seen plenty of reasonable and well-argued debate for the threat as such and the need for most people to realize it - only to be abruptly cut off by what I mentioned in point #2.
If you believe yourself to be a representative of a better civilization, then please come up with a better solution worthy of an enlightened European/Western culture. Otherwise, I suggest dropping the pretensions and declaring this an "East vs. West showdown, no holds barred, the winner gets to trample on the heads of the vanquished". End of story.