I got it!-New idea for Dangerous Waters

[Linton]

Luft wolf the people who did the modding on Sc I have the ultimate respect for.I have not yet got to grips with the improvements with DW.I am a complete simpleton as regards repainting skins,changing files etcetera,but I am a complete fan of how the standard Sc game was improved by the community.The regular names I used to see on the SC forum seem to have melted away.
I think that SCS need to think where DW is going,before frustration builds and more gamers lose interest.There is an adage:you have to speculate to accumulate.The more people say that the game is being constantly improved and just keeps getting better the more they will sell.I just wish that a lot of the improvements of Dw could be put into Sc.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by Linton

I just wish that a lot of the improvements of Dw could be put into Sc.

Sorry for SC fans but I hope this never happens.

[Nexus7]

If I was Sonalyst, and I was about to enhance the availability of platforms, your posts would change my mind.

I personally didn't even yet master to use the "so limited" platforms in game, maybe you all achieved. But even then, what fascinates me in DW is not the number of platforms, but the quality of the platforms.

To me it sounds like stating that chess has become an old game and you want new figures to be put on the game

[Linton]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Sorry for SC fans but I hope this never happens.

Goldorak would you care to explain why you do not wish this to happen?I can only think that ANY improvement is a benefit.

[Sub Sailor]

I have to agree with Luftwolf, continue improving DW, instead of adding more platforms. I am in agreement with much of what has been said in this post, but "at present" there is a wide choice of platforms, some I have never played, and I expect I am not alone in that regard. I will always question why the OHP was chosen instead of the AB or Spruance, but I am not much of a surface fan anyway. I am a complete Cluster F... with aircraft, well I crash well.
I believe if the market shows interest, someone will build new simulations.
I believe that there is a market for an improved Fleet Command, also from the stand point of the US Navy, a new sub sim based on the Virginia, and that could incorporate many of the models from SC and DW.
I am not an expert on building sims, but I believe you can add to much to them that they become unstable, some people have done that, on other sites, I just tried one the other day, no sound, and crashing all the time.
I do have a question, Microsoft is coming out with with Vista next year, so how does that effect us and how soon do we have to buy that system to play these sim?

Respectfully,

Ron Banks, MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)

[goldorak]

No, as long as DW or its succesors use Dirext X they will be compatible with Vista.
Now if they only use Dirext X 10 which is only Vista specific, it will only run on Vista and not Windows 200, Windows Xp etc...

[DivingWind]

Oooooohhhhh.... That Vista is evil! XP is the last Windows OS I use! PLease make DW compatible with Linux!

Me too...I'd rather give up computers and go back to the stone age, then have a computer where big brother knows my every move, can spam me online and offline with junk (free marketing for them)...visit a supermarket website to buy oranges on Sunday and be spammed by Tropicana on Monday? No thanks!!

Bill Gates can suck a big banana...I hate the geek's guts! He's already got 30 billion dollars the greedy &*"£"£$*!!

[FERdeBOER]

I also will be VERY HAPPY if I could run DW on Linux. I still have Windows for playing games...

On the other hand, we allways want more!

We forget the great improvevment that is driving, not only different subs with different characteristics, but also a surface ship, a helo and a plane!
And we want more playable!!! When 688i Hunter/Killer or Fast Attack came, did we asked for more and more playable platforms?
DW still has many things to improve so, I think is better making a great game with "few" controllables than a lot of controllables than doesn't works fine (I want my Akula to go up without breaking the TA... and without surfacing!).

The only think I would change is add more countries. It will increase a lot the mission design giving us the cahnce of creating more possible scenarios. SCS only wants us to create missions (a great mission editor I should say, despite still needs improvements), so please, wive us more toys to play with

[Captain Norman]

Originally Posted by aaken

Who told you that? Do you want a playable Victoria? A playable ASW surface platform of your country? Do you have some data about its sensors and weapons? If the weapon layout of the ship you'd like to drive is not too different from the layout of the Perry FFG (the same applies for the submarines) then it's not too difficult to make playables in the place of the exisiting playables. Unfortunately no-one, except SCS, can ADD new playables, but everybody can make playables that overwrite the previous, provided that you have some data, for the sake of realism. I've been doing that for the past months and mainly for the Italian Navy (although I made a sub and an FFG for Spain and, recently the Victoria for Canada). If I can do it, anybody can, and if somebody can't, then just write down your ideas and possibly somebody will try to implement them. It doesn't happen in one day but most modders do what they do in their own free time, which is limited.

Ive heard that it wasnt possible, but now that I remember what u showed me, it is. What I mean to say is, that you cant create a brand new one, it has to be based on an existing platform. For example, if I remember, u modeled the Victoria, but it has to use Russian/Chinese torpedoes and missiles cause its based on the Kilo. Thats what im talking about. Sonalysts can say that they would not make money and lose clientele if they released mod tools, but that IMO is bull. Many games have released their mod tools, and still make lots of money, they dont lose money from it, especially if you license these tools to make money.

[aaken]

Thank God, the chinese torpedoes are used just by chinese. Given that, you can modify the torpedoes used by chinese kilos to make whatever torpedo you want and don't suffer any drawback from it. I kept the chinese torps cause I have no idea what torps the Victoria uses.

[Captain Norman]

Oh, thanks for telling me. I dont know what the Vic uses either, id imagine its British. Dude, ur genius.

[John Channing]

MK 48's (not ADCAPs)

JCC

[Linton]

Goldorak, you made a rather sweeping statement that you would not like to see some of the dw changes put into sc, but never explained why,so for the second time why do you object to this?

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by Linton

Goldorak, you made a rather sweeping statement that you would not like to see some of the dw changes put into sc, but never explained why,so for the second time why do you object to this?

There is nothing to explain, Dw has features that will never be able to be included in SC short of someone stealing the source code.
How are you going to add multistation ?
How are you going to add an integrated naval battlespace ?
How are you going to add a new sonar model etc... ?

Lets get real, SC evolved into SCX/SCU because of illegal tinkering.
And this crippled not only the community but SCS as well.
No wonder they are trying to enforce a strict no mod policy on DW with regards to playable units.

Players should realize that they had a free ride with SC but now SCS is in command again and the future is with DW not with SC.
And if players are allways bitching why can't we mod this why can't we mod that and in repsonse they go back to sub command they are not supporting SCS and we as a whole will likely not see another game from them.
Is that what we want ?

Look this whole bitching on the mod capability of DW with respect to SC I've already seen it in exactly the same way with the Falcon 4 franchise.
In that community there are a lot of players and modders so pissed off at LP for having a very strict control (to say the least) on Falcon 4 that they prefer to not support F4 AF, go back to playing a dead game such as Falcon 4. Now how dumb is that ?
The only effect they will have is that of trying to kill the Falcon 4 franchise.
Really stupid thing if you ask me.

I say accept the fact that SCS controls DW, and be happy for the day they decide to release new playable units.
They are in control, not us its as simple as that.